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on: October 23, 2010, 01:00:19 am
Below is the message I sent Alicia Shepard at NPR under the following subject title:


THE FIRING OF JUAN WILLIAMS

Madam, I need only 19 (*) characters for my actual subject message to NPR: TOTALLY SHAMELESS!!!

* They state a character limitation of 64K for the body of a message.
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Reply #1 on: October 23, 2010, 01:55:03 am
Good for you!
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Reply #2 on: October 23, 2010, 02:44:11 am
The firing was asinine.

Period. Full stop.
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Reply #3 on: October 23, 2010, 04:00:40 am
I can't figure this out...???

NPR has been [for many, many years] a far left, mouth piece for Denocrat Party presidents and a shameless lier about anything not supported by the Democratic National Committe.  That is unargueable.  [By the way, NPR is dedicated to a neverending support of socialist causes and is paid for by OUR TAX DOLLARS]. 

On the other hand they fire a well known, card carrying, no matter what the facts are appoligist for the Socialist Obama Administration!!!!!

What am I missing? 

Could it be that Juan is only a Far Left Democrap and not a full blown Socialist that the current administration, and by extension NPR, prefer?   That obviously is the case.  I can hardly wait to hear the Washington spin doctors story on this one.
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Reply #4 on: October 23, 2010, 04:52:19 am
I'll agree that they F'ed up their handling of this, and they had no business firing him based on the listed reason - completely ridiculous..  That said, he has been crossing the line for some time on NPR's clear policy that its news analysts may not take personal public positions on controversial issues; doing so undermines their credibility as analysts.  He was not a commentator or columnist at NPR - the roles are quite different.  If they believed he was crossing this line in his Fox appearances, they could have told him to stop or choose between which role he wanted to play.  They ended up doing the same thing that happened to Shirley Sherrod with the edited video clip made to look bad - very stupid.

All that aside, NPR and its affiliate public radio stations the most non-partisan, independent, rational, balanced new source around in the radio world.  This asinine situation doesn't change that.  Some of you may not like the news they report, but hey I guess the truth hurts sometimes!   :P

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Reply #5 on: October 23, 2010, 07:06:21 am
I listen to NPR . Why are they not proud of there left leaning positions?

Lest Fox news is self supporting and doesn't require my taxes to promote its propaganda.
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Reply #6 on: October 23, 2010, 02:15:44 pm
I sent the ombudsman a note as well.  I don't donate when they have fund drives, but my wife always does.  We are both conservative, me fairly rabidly so, my wife more moderate.  I told them that they had received the last penny they ever would from my household.  I listen to NPR because the discussions are intelligent, though I rarely agree with the perspective.  I'll continue to listen but will never again send them money.  I still operate under the "everything I need to know in life I learned from the Godfather" so imagine in the best Marlon Brando you could do...
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Reply #7 on: October 23, 2010, 02:57:22 pm
Oh, and Eamon
NPR is one of the most left leaning organizations in all of media.  MSNBC may be further left, maybe...  I am a physician in rural northern Wisconsin.  Every Wednesday I travel 60 miles to a hospital that is woefully understaffed and NPR is the only station my car radio will get.  To say they give fair and impartial coverage is simply not a fact.  I know Wisconsin is one of the more progressive states and Wisconsin Public Radio is further to the left than NPR, but NPR is is , at it's core, a service that is supported by tax dollars and contributions from like minded individuals.  This fact alone, whether you believe it or not, skews the perspective.
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Reply #8 on: October 23, 2010, 03:04:18 pm
Yeah, "Car Talk". Really radical stuff, that.
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Reply #9 on: October 23, 2010, 03:48:12 pm
NPR did Juan a favor.He can now move on and quit wasting his time and good efforts.He was not appreciated there.Now he needs to calm down,it is kinda over.I have liked this guy for a long time although we usually have opposing views,politically.I like ol' Al Sharpton,even.Stand up guy,wrong,but gutsy.Good dresser.I got tired of NPR,find them a little dull.Bill Mahr is another favorite,in spite of his shockingly outrageous rhetoric.Fun guys to watch.


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Reply #10 on: October 23, 2010, 04:03:47 pm
Yeah, "Car Talk". Really radical stuff, that.

Yeah those freakin radicals at Car Talk, they're the most left leaning show about cars out there  - practically a mouth piece for Denocrat Party presidents.   ;)

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Reply #11 on: October 23, 2010, 04:12:06 pm
To say they give fair and impartial coverage is simply not a fact.

Yet you provide no evidence of this other than your impression.  By the way, I assume you haters are all talking about NPR's NEWS division.  They produce a lot more content than just news.

Anyhoo, I'm off to ride my bike for a bit.  Later, taters!   :P

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Reply #12 on: October 23, 2010, 04:14:39 pm
NPR did Juan a favor.

It appears they did - he's cashed in quite nicely with the new 2 million dollar contract Fox just gave him.  Nobody in public broadcasting makes that kind of change!

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Reply #13 on: October 23, 2010, 04:28:53 pm
Ehh,    For what it is NPR us not as bad as it could be.

On the issues they are covering they do appear to make an attempt at being unbiased,  however, the problem is with the stories they choose to cover..  Something people would have problems with no matter what side of the fence they were on.

Being that they are government funded the question has to be asked if NPR is a legitimate function of government?  Why is a portion of anyones income seized to support a Radio or Television network?   Maybe when Television was in the early stages ok,  but now with YouTube, Blogs, Email,  Message Boards and other electronic media it seems to be a waste of tax payer dollars. But then again 50% of what the Federal government does is a waste of money.

NPR and PBS should go,  followed closely by a lot of other foolish programs and departments.

Heck, as it is I think Television as we knew it to be is on the way out...
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Reply #14 on: October 23, 2010, 04:31:58 pm
Yet you provide no evidence of this other than your impression.  By the way, I assume you haters are all talking about NPR's NEWS division.  They produce a lot more content than just news.

Anyhoo, I'm off to ride my bike for a bit.  Later, taters!   :P

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Reply #15 on: October 23, 2010, 06:01:17 pm
r80RT,
Yep, you are a hater.  As am I apparently.  We offer a differing point of view, and despite all statements asserting fair and open discourse, that only applies when one agrees with a liberal (or progressive, or socialist, take your pick) viewpoint.  When you disagree, you are labeled.  That, quite frankly, is OK with me.   I believe what I believe and neither NPR nor MSNBC nor Fox News is making a dent in that.  They all have something to offer, none is without bias.

Car Talk.... I love those guys, but really, check out Terry Gross.  She makes no attempt to hide her liberal sympathies.  There are numerous other examples.

I also realize that I am not about to change any opinions here, people already have an established belief as to the bias of the media (either left or right).  I don't deny the bias from conservative organizations.  It just steams me when liberals make statements with absolute, supreme confidence that their position is the only possible answer.  I would never label Eamon as a "hater" for holding a position different than mine.  It is his right to do so.  It is also my right to respectfully disagree, one would hope without having a label attached to me.
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Reply #16 on: October 23, 2010, 06:14:22 pm
Well, if I'm a hater I'll be one proudly.
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Reply #17 on: October 23, 2010, 06:48:43 pm
Yeah those freakin radicals at Car Talk, they're the most left leaning show about cars out there   - practically a mouth piece for Denocrat Party presidents.   ;)

Just heard them today - click and clack brothers  :D.  Makes my day !  

How about more left leaning programs on WNYC - a New York public radio that broadcasts New Sounds (an in depth program of music from all around the world), Radio Lab, Studio 360, Classical music, BBC News, A Prairie Home Companion and to top it all - Weekend Crossword Puzzle  ;D.  
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Reply #18 on: October 23, 2010, 07:16:56 pm
I'm a hater because I don't agree with NPR news?

I thought it was obvious I was referring to haters of NPR.  There are posts specifically stating hatred and disdain for NPR.   No personal attack intended on you, nor is there one implied.  I guess I should have "NPR haters".  What is offensive about that?  If someone says they hate something, then they are a hater of it.  Lighten up, man!   :)

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Reply #19 on: October 23, 2010, 07:19:59 pm
Just heard them today - click and clack brothers  :D.  Makes my day !  

How about more left leaning programs on WNYC - a New York public radio that broadcasts New Sounds (an in depth program of music from all around the world), Radio Lab, Studio 360, Classical music, BBC News, A Prairie Home Companion and to top it all - Weekend Crossword Puzzle  ;D.  
Sound Check... Wait,Wait...Don't Tell me...Honky Tonkin'...I LOVE NPR!!
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Reply #20 on: October 23, 2010, 07:29:19 pm
r80RT,
Yep, you are a hater.  As am I apparently.  We offer a differing point of view, and despite all statements asserting fair and open discourse, that only applies when one agrees with a liberal (or progressive, or socialist, take your pick) viewpoint.  When you disagree, you are labeled.

Re-read this entire thread and tell me who cast the most labels around.  Hint - it wasn't you or me.

Car Talk.... I love those guys, but really, check out Terry Gross.

Hey, if you can convince them to ditch Terry Gross, no one would be happier than I!  I can't stand her!  I don't don't know about her bias - I just can't stand her interviewing style and the way she insults her guests sometimes.

I would never label Eamon as a "hater" for holding a position different than mine.  It is his right to do so.  It is also my right to respectfully disagree, one would hope without having a label attached to me.
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I didn't label you anything and I'm sorry you took it that way.

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Reply #21 on: October 23, 2010, 07:30:22 pm
Sound Check... Wait,Wait...Don't Tell me...Honky Tonkin'...I LOVE NPR!!

Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me is hilarious!

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Reply #22 on: October 23, 2010, 07:46:57 pm
I sent the ombudsman a note as well.  I don't donate when they have fund drives, but my wife always does.  We are both conservative, me fairly rabidly so, my wife more moderate.  I told them that they had received the last penny they ever would from my household.  I listen to NPR because the discussions are intelligent, though I rarely agree with the perspective.  I'll continue to listen but will never again send them money.  I still operate under the "everything I need to know in life I learned from the Godfather" so imagine in the best Marlon Brando you could do...
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Reply #23 on: October 23, 2010, 07:48:32 pm
Re-read this entire thread and tell me who cast the most labels around.  Hint - it wasn't you or me.

Hey, if you can convince them to ditch Terry Gross, no one would be happier than I!  I can't stand her!  I don't don't know about her bias - I just can't stand her interviewing style and the way she insults her guests sometimes.

I didn't label you anything and I'm sorry you took it that way
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Reply #24 on: October 23, 2010, 07:59:13 pm
Terry Gross is HOT!

I've tried to like her over the years, but I think it was her interview with Lou Reed, Neil Young, and Frank Zappa that turned me off.  I felt she insulted them  ::)  She does get some impressive guests though!

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Reply #25 on: October 23, 2010, 08:17:43 pm
I sent the ombudsman a note as well.  I don't donate when they have fund drives, but my wife always does.  We are both conservative, me fairly rabidly so, my wife more moderate.  I told them that they had received the last penny they ever would from my household.  I listen to NPR because the discussions are intelligent, though I rarely agree with the perspective.  I'll continue to listen but will never again send them money.  I still operate under the "everything I need to know in life I learned from the Godfather" so imagine in the best Marlon Brando you could do...
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Those fund drives don't raise money for NPR - they are for the operation of the local radio station you listen to.  If you are going to stop contributing based on this incident, you might want to send an email to the programming director or station manager at your local station.  They do take listener input seriously, in my experience, and you'll probably get a response.  Just a thought - not trying to talk you out of stopping your contribution.

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Reply #26 on: October 23, 2010, 08:34:32 pm
Those fund drives don't raise money for NPR - they are for the operation of the local radio station you listen to.  If you are going to stop contributing based on this incident, you might want to send an email to the programming director or station manager at your local station.  They do take listener input seriously, in my experience, and you'll probably get a response.  Just a thought - not trying to talk you out of stopping your contribution.

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Thats sounds an awful lot like what the local Union guys said to me when I quit, "Your screwing the local folk"  Told em I was only 45% screwing em,   since 55% went to AFL-CIO and their crap agenda...  

I have come to the conclusion that any support you give to a philosophy  you don't endorse is a tacit endorsement of it.    Some people don't see it this way but I am of the opinion that every excerpts at least a minimal pressure on society to shape it into what they believe the way things are or should be, even if they do not realize it.  I like to push for should be instead of thinking things are and I have no real say in the matter..


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Reply #27 on: October 23, 2010, 08:55:35 pm
Thats sounds an awful lot like what the local Union guys said to me when I quit, "Your screwing the local folk"  Told em I was only 45% screwing em,   since 55% went to AFL-CIO and their crap agenda...  

Not at all what I'm, saying.  Like I said, I wasn't trying to talk him out of stopping contributing.  I just pointed out the distinction between NPR and the actual radio station.  If he is angry about the content his station carries (and his wife has been contributing), he may want to tell them why he is upset.  Writing to NPR is a perfectly good way to tell NPR how you feel, but it's not the same as expressing your opinion to the actual station on which he hears that content. 

Unrelated to this point, but each station decides how much actual NPR programming they run - some actually do produce huge portions of their programming locally.

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Reply #28 on: October 23, 2010, 09:40:24 pm
I prefer more civilized forms of entertainment, like cage fighting.  In the end, you have a winner and a loser and at least those guys hug it out after the fight.  Think they might be a brighter lot too then those meat heads on the "news" shows.
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Reply #29 on: October 23, 2010, 11:15:33 pm
I've tried to like her over the years, but I think it was her interview with Lou Reed, Neil Young, and Frank Zappa that turned me off.  I felt she insulted them  ::)  She does get some impressive guests though!

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Reply #30 on: October 23, 2010, 11:22:25 pm
Dig Lou Reed and Neil young and worship FZ, but all three could be blowhards in an interview.
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Reply #31 on: October 24, 2010, 03:06:39 am
 If NPR is left leaning, then you have no clue what left can be.

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Reply #32 on: October 24, 2010, 04:47:01 am
What I feel is interesting is the amout of tax money we give to the Federal Government and they give to NPR. There is no doubt that NPR is, and has been for many years, an outragiously left leaning organization.  How could it be otherwise?  They receive the largest part of their proceeds from government aid which is only done by far left [or worse] government programs.  A regular everyday radio station, that is supported by the capitalist system, produce programming with the expectation that some person or company will pay to air it plus an advertizement.  Again please note, that is capitalism.  NPR receives taxpayer funding is a couple of different ways.  They get huge government grants from various federal agencies.  Corp. for Public Broadcasting, Dept. of Commerce, Dept. of Education [that one is as scary as our public schools], National Endowment for the Arts [ The same folks that funded the cruifix in a glass of urine and even under fire continued to claim it is art!], and etc..  That is called, and I am sorry if this is a shock to anyone, socilalism.  That amount was around 9 million in the last couple of years.  NPR, as thinking folks might guess, get a lot of additional tax money somewhat indirectly.  The Corporation for Public Broadcasting makes lots and lots of 'grants' to public radio stations.  Would anyone care to guess where these 'public' stations spent the lion's share of these welfare checks?  About 40% of NPRs loot [about 65 million on top of the above pitance of 9 millon] comes from programming fees, dues, and etc..   Like all liberal spending for social programs the money trail is as difficult to follow as Mafia money.  Again, when a government takes money from those that have it and parciles it out to organizations that the government [in its infinate wisdom] believes is 'best' for the governed it is generally called Socialism.  Ya, I know, the new word is 'Progressive".  Take caution when you hear any responce to the true cost to taxpayers when an NPR spokesman is speaking on the subject.  NPR officials are already spinning the heck out of it.  The 'official' word is that government support amounts to a small portion of their budget!  No need for me to comment on their truthfullness...these people have spent many years proving they can't really tell the difference between fact and fiction.  Their diminished capacity tells it is to be expected.

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Reply #33 on: October 24, 2010, 06:27:55 am
I find it amazing that someone really can't tell the difference between liberal and conservative. I also don't understand why NPR( anyone really) would be ashamed of there core beliefs/ values.
Masquerading as a Conservative ...really now.Do we not have brains to think with?

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Reply #34 on: October 24, 2010, 06:48:36 am
these people have spent many years proving they can't really tell the difference between fact and fiction.  Their diminished capacity tells it is to be expected.

I respectully disagree!  Goodnight!
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Reply #35 on: October 24, 2010, 07:05:30 am
Dig Lou Reed and Neil young and worship FZ, but all three could be blowhards in an interview.

No doubt true, especially Lou and Frank, as much as I love 'em.   :) I think of Neil as more a space cadet then blowhard, or at least by comparison.  The thing that got me with her Neil interview was when she asked him how it was being in a band (CSNY) where everyone else was such a great singer and could sing great harmonies, and he had such a weird (implication being not very good) voice.  He naturally got somewhat offended and said he'd been singing in close harmony in before ever being in CSNY.

It's all nitpicking!  I think maybe I just get irritated by her voice.  Most people I know love her.

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Reply #36 on: October 24, 2010, 07:06:54 am
She almost got in a fistfight with Gene Simmons. :D

Who wouldn't?   :P
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Reply #37 on: October 24, 2010, 07:40:12 am
Who wouldn't?   :P

Bet he couldn't keep his tongue in his mouth. :P
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Reply #38 on: October 24, 2010, 01:25:24 pm
No doubt true, especially Lou and Frank, as much as I love 'em.   :) I think of Neil as more a space cadet then blowhard, or at least by comparison.  The thing that got me with her Neil interview was when she asked him how it was being in a band (CSNY) where everyone else was such a great singer and could sing great harmonies, and he had such a weird (implication being not very good) voice.  He naturally got somewhat offended and said he'd been singing in close harmony in before ever being in CSNY.

It's all nitpicking!  I think maybe I just get irritated by her voice.  Most people I know love her.

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Reply #39 on: October 24, 2010, 01:33:19 pm
Dug the Buffalo Springfield link btw. Thanks.
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Reply #40 on: October 24, 2010, 06:52:11 pm
I have a friend who's a music writer that met Lou at a party. He introduced himself, and Lou simply said "You fat fuck" and walked away.


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Reply #41 on: October 24, 2010, 07:54:17 pm
Regarding this topic, the perspective from the ladies on The View was, generally, the same as mine.  Their views are almost always diametrically opposed to mine on most matters.  However, here's an action by NPR on which we found agreement because, as it was in my case, they felt it was the wrong thing to do.

I had distilled this matter down to a case of more right versus wrong than conservative versus liberal.  The action taken by the so called top management at NPR with respect to Juan Williams was handled totally poorly and it was the totally, shamelessly wrong thing to do to the man!
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Reply #42 on: October 24, 2010, 09:10:43 pm
When faced with some potential embarrassment, bosses of any stripe can be counted on to  take some dunderheaded CYA action. Plain and simple.
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Reply #43 on: October 24, 2010, 09:13:48 pm
What I feel is interesting is the amout of tax money we give to the Federal Government and they give to NPR. There is no doubt that NPR is, and has been for many years, an outragiously left leaning organization.  How could it be otherwise?  They receive the largest part of their proceeds from government aid which is only done by far left [or worse] government programs.  A regular everyday radio station, that is supported by the capitalist system, produce programming with the expectation that some person or company will pay to air it plus an advertizement.  Again please note, that is capitalism.  NPR receives taxpayer funding is a couple of different ways.  They get huge government grants from various federal agencies.  Corp. for Public Broadcasting, Dept. of Commerce, Dept. of Education [that one is as scary as our public schools], National Endowment for the Arts [ The same folks that funded the cruifix in a glass of urine and even under fire continued to claim it is art!], and etc..  That is called, and I am sorry if this is a shock to anyone, socilalism.  That amount was around 9 million in the last couple of years.  NPR, as thinking folks might guess, get a lot of additional tax money somewhat indirectly.  The Corporation for Public Broadcasting makes lots and lots of 'grants' to public radio stations.  Would anyone care to guess where these 'public' stations spent the lion's share of these welfare checks?  About 40% of NPRs loot [about 65 million on top of the above pitance of 9 millon] comes from programming fees, dues, and etc..   Like all liberal spending for social programs the money trail is as difficult to follow as Mafia money.  Again, when a government takes money from those that have it and parciles it out to organizations that the government [in its infinate wisdom] believes is 'best' for the governed it is generally called Socialism.  Ya, I know, the new word is 'Progressive".  Take caution when you hear any responce to the true cost to taxpayers when an NPR spokesman is speaking on the subject.  NPR officials are already spinning the heck out of it.  The 'official' word is that government support amounts to a small portion of their budget!  No need for me to comment on their truthfullness...these people have spent many years proving they can't really tell the difference between fact and fiction.  Their diminished capacity tells it is to be expected.



You know, you say it loud enough and repeat it enough, then a lie starts sounding true.

NPR by no means is a left leaning radio station. I hear it everyday, and find it educational, intellectual, sometimes funny and definitely neutral.


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Reply #44 on: October 24, 2010, 10:17:44 pm
You know, you say it loud enough and repeat it enough, then a lie starts sounding true.

NPR by no means is a left leaning radio station. I hear it everyday, and find it educational, intellectual, sometimes funny and definitely neutral.
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Reply #45 on: October 24, 2010, 11:07:36 pm
You know, you say it loud enough and repeat it enough, then a lie starts sounding true.

NPR by no means is a left leaning radio station. I hear it everyday, and find it educational, intellectual, sometimes funny and definitely neutral.
You really don't know? I listen to it too, but I know it is liberal.
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Reply #46 on: October 25, 2010, 02:09:41 am
You know, you say it loud enough and repeat it enough, then a lie starts sounding true.

NPR by no means is a left leaning radio station. I hear it everyday, and find it educational, intellectual, sometimes funny and definitely neutral.

Juan himself, for a decade, has repeatedly professed to be a left of center liberal.  His words about himself.  He was fired because he was not 100% politically correct as his bosses liberal mindset requires.  His words.  Not mine.  He was fired basically because he went on Fox News and defended the liberal point of view but apearently was not pure enough.  I watched this honest person with honest beliefs debate several issues on a panel loaded with conservatives.  National Progressive Radio is a left leaning organization, that is as clear as Fox is a right leaning organization.   
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Reply #47 on: October 25, 2010, 02:45:45 am
NPR is usually informative and interesting.  When they shift to politics, I have to say that I can't remember them being anything but left of center. 

I recall a panel discussion where two people were called in to represent the sides of an issue (of which I can't remember).  One panelist was a moderate dem and the other would be called progressive in today's lingo.  Nada to a conservative.

Juan William's boss who said the firing was between Juan and his pyschiatrist, was very mean-spirited.  She apologized later but should be reprimanded or demoted.

I find MSNBC to be really left, CNN to be more central, and FoxNews way right.  It is good to watch all of them plus other sources to be better informed.
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Reply #48 on: October 25, 2010, 03:29:43 am
Yeah,I catch them all from time to time.Prof's assessment is right.I do tend to watch Fox the most mainly because I like the commentators.


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Reply #49 on: October 25, 2010, 03:36:46 am
Juan himself, for a decade, has repeatedly professed to be a left of center liberal.  His words about himself.  He was fired because he was not 100% politically correct as his bosses liberal mindset requires.  His words.  Not mine.  He was fired basically because he went on Fox News and defended the liberal point of view but apearently was not pure enough.  I watched this honest person with honest beliefs debate several issues on a panel loaded with conservatives.  National Progressive Radio is a left leaning organization, that is as clear as Fox is a right leaning organization.   

Juan Williams being left on center means only that. It does not automatically make NPR left of center.

BTW, anything left of Fox does not make it left.


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Reply #50 on: October 25, 2010, 03:38:54 am
Better watch what you say. The liberal boogyman will get you. :o

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Reply #51 on: October 25, 2010, 03:05:31 pm


Juan William's boss who said the firing was between Juan and his psychiatrist, was very mean-spirited.  She apologized later but should be reprimanded or demoted.


A small, but I think significant correction, Prof.  Her comment about his psychiatrist was aimed at his concern over people in muslim garb on airplanes.  I may or may not agree with Mr. William's concerns in that regard but to suggest that he require psychiatric assistance because of his concern is FAR out of bounds.  This stands as another example of the liberal bias demonstrated by NPR in this situation.

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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130805049
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Reply #52 on: October 25, 2010, 04:29:18 pm
I have a friend who's a music writer that met Lou at a party. He introduced himself, and Lou simply said "You fat fuck" and walked away.

i guess this is an acknowledgement that i am an a-hole, and nothing personal to your friend, but i think i just fell in love with lou reed all over again.
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Reply #53 on: October 25, 2010, 07:21:11 pm
i guess this is an acknowledgement that i am an a-hole, and nothing personal to your friend, but i think i just fell in love with lou reed all over again.

Heck, I thought it was funny (my friend not so much, but what can you do). The Velvet Underground was part of the reason I moved to NY to begin with, but that doesn't mean I'd want to actually meet Lou Reed.

One time I met a person who waited tables at a restaurant in the West Village, where Lou frequently goes for brunch. This person said that some of the staff will actually hide while he's there because he's such a mean primadonna. He'll send back the eggs a million times if they're not cooked exactly to his impossible orders.


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Reply #54 on: October 25, 2010, 07:50:04 pm
but that doesn't mean I'd want to actually meet Lou Reed.

One time I met a person who waited tables at a restaurant in the West Village, where Lou frequently goes for brunch. This person said that some of the staff will actually hide while he's there because he's such a mean primadonna. He'll send back the eggs a million times if they're not cooked exactly to his impossible orders.

agreed. i'd probably want to punch him in the neck if i had to deal with him in real life. and having spent way too much time on the line as a short order cook, i can guarantee that when he returned his eggs, had it been to me, they would have contained my d.n.a., in some form, when they were brought back to his table. ;)
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Reply #55 on: October 25, 2010, 09:18:10 pm
One time I met a person who waited tables at a restaurant in the West Village, where Lou frequently goes for brunch. This person said that some of the staff will actually hide while he's there because he's such a mean primadonna. He'll send back the eggs a million times if they're not cooked exactly to his impossible orders.

I've never understood people who do that at restaurants.  You just KNOW they've consumed all sorts of disgusting things that the kitchen staff end up putting in their food as revenge!   :o 

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Reply #56 on: October 26, 2010, 02:11:28 am
Yeah.If I am displeased at restaurants I just go someplace else next time.Another one that kinda bugs me is not tipping the wait staff if the food is not perfect.Like shooting the messenger.'Course,I did work at a nice little restaurant,listening to the other side of it is always enlightening.Like me listening to NPR.


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Reply #57 on: October 26, 2010, 03:21:09 am
NPR:  Today I listened while driving to work and returning. 
- Cokie Roberts, in her analysis of the upcoming election, revealed her bias when she talked of how the Republicans just stall legislation in Congress.  No other viewpoint was heard on this subject.
- The Democrat Senate candidate from W. VIriginia, currently the governor, was interviewed.  He sounds like a very reasonable candidate.  The NPR person mentioned that he was much maligned by the Republicans.  But there was no mention of why that was so, and no other person was there to give more depth of information to the race.
- The leader of MoveOn.org was interviewed and asked to explain why MoveOn has been quiet during this election.  He did as he talked about getting people out to vote for his favorite party.  Which one would that be?  Duh.

Point is, if NPR presented dual sides to issues they would be more relevant.  Having my tax money at work to help them seems undemocratic, don't you think? 
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Reply #58 on: October 26, 2010, 03:47:49 am
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The sorta things that you list really drive me nuts but the outright misdirection [some of us simpler folks refer to them as lies] make me woner why they don't get sued.  For instance, many voters in Florida couldn't figgure how to find their butt with both hands nor how to use a voteing machine.  The Democraps immediately went to court to contest the out come because Bush won.  They lost the first round.  Then they went to the next court and filed but were ultimatey not sustained.  Then a third time they instituted court proceedings; again to no avail.  In EVERY case the Democraps were the Plaintifs and the Bush people the Respondents.  That, to anyone that can find their butt useing both hands means that THEY went to court and drug the other partner, unwillingly, to court.  But what did I continually and repeatedly hear stated as God's Truth on NPR?  Can you guess?  Sure you can. NPR talking heads and there favorite interviewies over and over again stated that Bush started and continued with a chain of legal wrangling that resulted in his being President. 

The "softball" interviews of Liberals that sound like a campaign ad I can live with.  But the many and repeated outright lies, such as the above, make me grit my teeth.  Knowing that I am paying tax dollars for them to concoct one sided drivvel and pure lies makes it worse.
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Reply #59 on: October 26, 2010, 07:09:04 am
NPR:  Today I listened while driving to work and returning. 
- Cokie Roberts, in her analysis of the upcoming election, revealed her bias when she talked of how the Republicans just stall legislation in Congress.  No other viewpoint was heard on this subject.

Point is, if NPR presented dual sides to issues they would be more relevant.  Having my tax money at work to help them seems undemocratic, don't you think? 

I can't go with you on that one.  To me, that falls in the category of declaring 2+2=4 and being asked to bring someone on with the opposing view that 2+2=5.  On issues that are in fact debatable, it also implies that there are only 2 viewpoints - the "left" and right".  Sometimes neither of those are on target.

Anyway, I'm bowing out of this one and getting back to another episode of Top Gear.  Jeremy Clarkson just rode by on an early Royal Enfield car! 

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Reply #60 on: October 26, 2010, 08:39:43 pm
I can't go with you on that one.  To me, that falls in the category of declaring 2+2=4 and being asked to bring someone on with the opposing view that 2+2=5. 

On issues that are in fact debatable, it also implies that there are only 2 viewpoints - the "left" and right".  Sometimes neither of those are on target.

Agreed on the last statement. 

For the first statement, if you swallow FoxNews (or NPR or CNN or NYT or whatever) news as the bastion of truth to the exclusion of the others, how do you ever know if you are really correct?  Do Republicans stall legislation or are they concerned that the majority (Dems) are using their clout to ram legislation down the American throat?

At home we watch MSNBC in the mornings, NPR in the car, and FoxNews at night.  There sure is a lot of polarity out there!   
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Reply #61 on: October 26, 2010, 09:28:33 pm
The polarity is a big problem.No middle ground any more.If the repubs win big,they will obstruct to hell.How is that gonna be all good?I would like to see a coming together with some give and take to get things done with reasonable results,not too likely these days.


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Reply #62 on: October 26, 2010, 09:51:44 pm
They are already threatening to stall the government.


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Reply #63 on: October 27, 2010, 01:06:03 pm
"give them bread and circuses"  in my youth i used to think  the  cheap food policy= bread. sports= circuses. but now i realize politics is the circus
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Reply #64 on: October 27, 2010, 02:19:36 pm
The polarity is a big problem.No middle ground any more.If the repubs win big,they will obstruct to hell.How is that gonna be all good?I would like to see a coming together with some give and take to get things done with reasonable results,not too likely these days.
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Reply #65 on: October 27, 2010, 04:27:18 pm
after re reading my post  i'm thinkin the circus is a bit heavy on clowns.
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Reply #66 on: October 27, 2010, 06:09:37 pm
"All because we have no more Statesmen in our governments. (plural intentional)"  PhilJ

Amen, Br. Phil.


 
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Reply #67 on: November 03, 2010, 07:19:18 pm
All because we have no more Statesmen in our governments. (plural intentional)

There is a very short, important, document, it is called The Constitution.  All members of the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of the government need to read and understand.

I wish we could get a congress that had the {hmmm} fortitude to sit down with the Constitution on one side, and the federal laws/regulations/program on the other and go line by line.

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Reply #68 on: November 04, 2010, 02:24:04 am
Stephen,that actually mite happen as the whole show is about job justification,maybe they'll get bored trying to stare each other down and do something like that as it would not be up to interpretation if it were taken literally.Need to start over anyway.Throw it all out and start over.


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Reply #69 on: November 04, 2010, 02:58:38 pm
Throw it out? No! It was written in a different time by men of good will, willing to compromise. If they were to start over, in our sophomoric stupor our parties are in, i.e. "We must win at all costs", we would have an abomination that would either exclude or deny to many. Depending on the swing you may be in that group.  However, just like any law, it needs to be revisited from time to time to be sure that the intent is being kept up with societies needs.


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Reply #70 on: November 04, 2010, 03:00:29 pm
I was actually speaking of all the recent legislation,didn't make that point very well.


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Reply #71 on: November 04, 2010, 03:21:38 pm
It's OK, I prob just misunderstood. But in our current political climate even the new laws need to be looked at rationally. We don't seem to have any of that on either side of the isle any more, and it really saddens me.


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Reply #72 on: November 04, 2010, 03:42:44 pm
Hey --when was that constitution written. Last year or a bit later?

     Buy everything you can your dollar is gonna be worthless, Good for exports if you had anything that some one wanted, --na na forget your cars and motorbikes.

   Now then what American product could you sell? There is Boeing if you nuked Airbus factory and errmmm   give me a minute.

       Europe is increasing taxes --you guys are decreasing Hmmmm--Oh and your printing money!!! ---oh so very not good.

        http://www.usdebtclock.org/

   

   
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Reply #73 on: November 05, 2010, 03:06:00 am
Yea, I know.  They have justified every perversion of the intent of the Constitution.  It is supposed to be a document to LIMIT the powers of the federal government.


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Reply #74 on: November 05, 2010, 03:17:49 am
I can't go with you on that one.  To me, that falls in the category of declaring 2+2=4 and being asked to bring someone on with the opposing view that 2+2=5.

When someone talks about an opinion or belief as if it is a absolute fact, this is where the justifiable accusations of bias, arrogance, and elite-ism (of either side of a debate) begin. 


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Reply #75 on: November 06, 2010, 04:36:08 am
Yea, I know.  They have justified every perversion of the intent of the Constitution.  It is supposed to be a document to LIMIT the powers of the federal government.

The fact that the Constitution of the United States was written to LIMIT the power of the new federal government escapes all but a few.  That went right over their heads.  The fact that our Founding Document does NOT facilitate Liberalism, and for sure not Obama Socialism, is lost on far too many Americans.  Hard to believe but true.  The fact that the country was named The United STATES of America does not mean anything to them.  The fact that if you go to any other country in the world there is only one license plate for the whole country.  For instance we have different traffic laws and divorce laws in the various states. Different hunting and building construction law.   We still have the last vestiges of the original right of the individual States to govern their citizens as Jefferson, Hamilton, and the other Founders envisioned.   The idea that we need to review the document and revise it as seems a popular thing to do, at any given instant in time, is just plane wrongheaded and woefully shortsighted.  Such a belief could only be entertained by a "World Order" freak or a person devoid of knowledge of our Constitution.   Which brings us to the reason the Liberal educational system, that has evolved in the US of A over the last few decades, refuses to acknowledge the existence of and, further, refuses to teach anything about our Constitution.  For teachers Socialism works just fine, thank you!  The government [best the Federal government] takes tax money from the nations businesses and general population [those currently viewed as having too much money] and then gives it back to the various states' school systems and other social establishments.  The fact that the Constitution does not give the Federal government the right to do such a thing, and holds these things to be a State's right, MUST be ignored at any cost.  Our hollowed institutions of higher learning have done a magnificent job in that respect.  The fact that there are millions out there that have not even read the Constitution should not be a surprise.  But I'm guessing you know all that and are not surprised.
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Reply #76 on: November 06, 2010, 02:13:18 pm
Yeah,well, I had a good day last week,Tuesday.Voted for every Republican,oust all the judges,no on liberal inspired proposals and basically no on the liberal agenda.Good day,waited for it 2 years,felt really good.Turned out that I was not alone.Gonna do it again in a coupla years.The progressives,who come across like thinly veiled commies,are approaching the end of their string,for now.They won't go away but they went too far,too soon.Which is a good thing,maybe.They have exposed themselves.


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Reply #77 on: November 06, 2010, 02:48:34 pm
Here on the left coast in WA state, the Dem's mostly won, bucking the national trend.  BO, Michelle, and Joe B all came at separate times to make sure WA senator Patty Murray was not defeated.  She pulled away when (ML) KIng county votes were tallied.

But the voters did NOT vote to give themselves a state income tax (it lost big time, even thought it was only supposed to tax the "rich").

Overall though, it seemed like more moderate Dem's lost than progressive ones.
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Reply #78 on: November 06, 2010, 03:17:03 pm
Hey, it turns out I'm a thinly veiled commie!  I thought this thread was finally dead... nope, still picking away at the rotting corpse.  Hey wasn't Halloween like a week ago?

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Reply #79 on: November 06, 2010, 03:44:53 pm
Hey, it turns out I'm a thinly veiled commie!Eamon

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Reply #80 on: November 06, 2010, 04:38:16 pm
  " Buy everything you can your dollar is gonna be worthless, Good for exports if you had anything that some one wanted, --na na forget your cars and motorbikes.

   Now then what American product could you sell? There is Boeing if you nuked Airbus factory and errmmm   give me a minute.

       Europe is increasing taxes --you guys are decreasing Hmmmm--Oh and your printing money!!! ---oh so very not good."

hate to enter the frey but thought I would comment on the above based on what I see:
I see many new Jeeps and hummers on the roads here in South Africa, There were a surprising number in Tunisa as well. The weak dollar has allowed our  US heavy equipment companies to sell quite a bit  based on the quantity of new US made equipment that I see at construction sites, again that was true in Tunisa as well. I see several Harleys everytime I am out, they are very popular here. Lots of  Chrysler mini vans and their high end stuff as well. Haven't seen to many Brit bikes, saw a few new Triumphs at some asian motorcycle dealer but I have yet to see one on the roads


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Reply #81 on: November 06, 2010, 04:50:35 pm
  " Buy everything you can your dollar is gonna be worthless, Good for exports if you had anything that some one wanted, --na na forget your cars and motorbikes.

   Now then what American product could you sell? There is Boeing if you nuked Airbus factory and errmmm   give me a minute.

       Europe is increasing taxes --you guys are decreasing Hmmmm--Oh and your printing money!!! ---oh so very not good."

hate to enter the frey but thought I would comment on the above based on what I see:
I see many new Jeeps and hummers on the roads here in South Africa, There were a surprising number in Tunisa as well. The weak dollar has allowed our  US heavy equipment companies to sell quite a bit  based on the quantity of new US made equipment that I see at construction sites, again that was true in Tunisa as well. I see several Harleys everytime I am out, they are very popular here. Lots of  Chrysler mini vans and their high end stuff as well. Haven't seen to many Brit bikes, saw a few new Triumphs at some asian motorcycle dealer but I have yet to see one on the roads

   Thats great but the dept is about 55 trillion thats about 1 Hummer per American citizen

     Are you white and still In Africa? 
I would never be a member of a cub that would have me as a member


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Reply #82 on: November 08, 2010, 03:06:41 am
   Thats great but the dept is about 55 trillion thats about 1 Hummer per American citizen

     Are you white and still In Africa? 

CLAMP!  You can't do that!  You can't use the word 'white' [I hope all will forgive me for repeating the word] because it is NOT Politically Correct to denote in any way that people come in various colors.  [By this I am assuming you are of a paler persuasion.  Because it is, according to the Politically Correct rules, quite OK to use the words that relate to human skin colors if you are not a member of a paler variety].

Also, I am shocked and dismayed by your blatant use of the word...you know, the one that started with a capitol A.   You can't do that because you also used that other word [see paragraph one] in a manner indicating it might conceivably be best for him to leave that particular area.  It is also not Politically Correct to insinuate that the area in question is not 100% populated by one big happy family of gentle people.

Keep it up and you may be barred from that trip to America you have been looking forward to.       
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