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Sam Simons

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on: July 08, 2010, 02:46:52 pm
This is directed more towards either the ATV/ dirt bikers,or professional painters (should there be any in the group).
Painting polystyrene pieces is sometimes difficult,particularly poly gas tanks.
I'm restoring an old d/bike that will require respraying all of the plastic. One
reportedly successful procedure involves sanding the surfaces,applying
a adhesion enhancer,followed by a flexible primer and then spraying the color
of choice. This is what I will do,unless,someone has found another method that was successful(i.e., the paint stayed on,didn't bubble,etc., after being put into use)  .


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Reply #1 on: July 08, 2010, 02:52:00 pm
Sam is the tank polystyrene or polyethylene ?
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Reply #2 on: July 08, 2010, 03:04:08 pm
Krylon makes a spray paint specifically for user on plastic, Never used it so I can't say if it works or not.
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Reply #3 on: July 08, 2010, 04:05:18 pm
Painting flexible plastic is now a science,process is well known at all real automotive paint supply stores.Just tell them whatcha gonna do and they will supply the needed materials and advice.The Krylon stuff seems to work good but time will tell.I personally have good luck with the adhesion promoters,flexible primer and acrylic enamel,but have only done a couple of bumpers.One was still lookin' good 2 years out,tho.


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Reply #4 on: July 08, 2010, 05:44:51 pm
My error,ICE,the material is polyethylene......BIG diff !
 I've acquired "Bulldog" brand adhesion promoter,to be used along with SEM brand flexible primer and Krylon FUSION color coat.
  In reading the many experiences on the 'Net,there's the opinion that the gasoline
permeates the wall of the tank and causes loss of adhesion.... I don't think that's
the case. Technically,on a very microscopic scale, that would be leaking. And,
neither do any of the paint coatings professionals believe that the presence of
gasoline is the culprit. Their common explanation is simply the 'oily' nature of
polyethylene and the difficulty in purging the material for painting(as one
rep told me,"that's why the color is in the material....").
  There are accounts of successful tank paint jobs....unfortunately,these
experiences range from-"'just sand it and shoot it with FUSION.." to the
involved process I'm planning to do.
In summary,it appears that successfully painting a  gas tank is no more dicy
than painting any other plastic component (on the same bike);gasoline isn't
the  show stopper,simply the plastic itself......which  will vary from brand to brand.
 I'm fixin' ta find out here reel soon......after MidOhio.


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Reply #5 on: July 09, 2010, 05:23:16 am
 Could post about the process along the way ?


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Reply #6 on: July 10, 2010, 06:10:24 am
Certainly,ICE,with pics of the process and product details.
I've already wet sanded the entire tank with 320 grit paper,which dramatically reduced that slippery surface feel-not only because the surface is obviously rougher,but also because the surface  now has had the dead,hardened layer removed.

I'm convinced it can be(successfully) done,because  I've seen quite a few
such paint jobs,that,despite being poorly done or badly worn,were still
adhering very well
to the plastic surface..........

My guess is that painting a 'mature' surface(this tank is 24 years old) is also
an advantage,versus a newer unit,which would have a higher content of
the chemicals present.....


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Reply #7 on: July 15, 2010, 05:45:04 pm
 So far,so good...All parts were:

 Initially decreased using lacquer thinner.

 Wetsanded with 320 paper

 Sprayed two light coats of Bulldog brand adhesive promoter

The sprayed two light coats of  Fusion color

Then lightly wet sanded using a 3M Scotchbrite (fine) pad

Adhesion test-with fingernail-no problems.


One more final Scotchbrite sand and then a 'wet' final coat of Fusion to finish.




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Reply #8 on: July 16, 2010, 11:43:52 pm
Thanks for the update.

Q; Is it advisable to let the various coats dry completely or are the follow on coats applied when the previous one is still tacky ?
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Reply #9 on: July 17, 2010, 04:02:17 am
The "Bulldog" adhesion promoter dries very quickly-15 mins. The coats of Bulldog were dry,but,did have a very minor tacky feel....
 I began spraying the Fusion
in very light ,'dry' coats shortly there afterward. Fusion says to recoat within 24 hours ,OR, 7 days later,so,I resprayed the following coats of Fusion approximately 12 hours
later.
 I decided to omit using the flexible primer,because I felt the addition of yet another layer
was an invitation for problems......


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Reply #10 on: July 25, 2010, 09:16:32 pm
Pic of the  products used and items painted...


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Reply #11 on: July 27, 2010, 12:53:53 pm
 Looks good  ;). How long did it take to fully cure ?
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Reply #12 on: July 28, 2010, 12:18:54 am
The Fusion product suggests a recoat (if desired) within 24 hours for the previous coating.....with full cure in 7 days. The adhesion promoter should be coated over
within an hour,IMO, while it still has a bit of a tacky feel to it.I used two different methods of abrasion on the plastic pieces - 3M Skotchbrite pads and  #80 grit aluminum oxide media.


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Reply #13 on: July 28, 2010, 12:30:17 am
Thanks Sam !
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Reply #14 on: August 08, 2010, 12:58:30 am
Painted parts after reassembly.....I've got two more BW80's to do,and  will use Rustoleum  paint (with the same prep) on the next one.....
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