Author Topic: Campfire talk (Read 17634 times)

mbevo1 · **on:** August 10, 2009, 02:39:33 pm

How 'bout a "no sex, religion, politics" rule for Campfire talk? The political rants are annoying...

Never mind about the "sex" part...

Mike and Stumpy in Michigan

REpozer · **Reply #1 on:** August 10, 2009, 06:43:11 pm

Maybe take a vote or" new poll"

Sorry I was part of the problem, I humbly bow out .

The Garbone · **Reply #2 on:** August 10, 2009, 07:18:08 pm

Well, as I am one of the instigators of this lately I just have to say most of the time I do not even read all those threads... But it is a good outlet to vent stress and articulate opinions, as long as folks don't take things too heart.

mbevo1 · **Reply #3 on:** August 10, 2009, 07:24:09 pm

I always click the "Show unread" button when checking in... not unusual to find hald of the "unreads" are the various political posts.

I have/will fight for freedom of speech, but there's tons of venues for that stuff...

Betcha a buck nothing posted here has changed anybodies mind on anything...

Mike and Stumpy in Michigan

geoffbaker · **Reply #4 on:** August 10, 2009, 11:49:44 pm

Well, as one of the louder and more obnoxious voices on the political threads of the Campfire section, I apologize for any offense I've ever given.

I'm bowing out, too. I reckon I only need to be called a Hitler loving nazi death chamber oven operative once, to know it's time to leave...

I was surprised to find both RePozer and Garbone on this thread today when I opened it... I was just thinking that the three of us seem to share one thing in common - with diametrically opposed views, we've always been able to stop in the middle of an argument and share a joke

It's gotten a lot less funny recently in there...

ERC · **Reply #5 on:** August 11, 2009, 12:11:57 am

I think you should keep it up it's really entertaining.Even though your loud and obnoxious.I would miss it. ERC

UncleErnie · **Reply #6 on:** August 11, 2009, 01:57:40 am

I like lively conversation with people who are able to listen, as well as debate.
A rant, on the other hand, is a waste of time. When things turn to verbal blows- I just stop reading. Unless one has a terminal attraction car wrecks and such, I'm not sure I understand the problem.

Cabo Cruz · **Reply #7 on:** August 11, 2009, 04:09:56 am

Br. Mike (and Stumpy), I fully agree with you. In fact and until one recent post, I had not started or added to any thread that touched on politics or religion since shortly after the 2008 elections! I also agree about keeping the sex in play; WOWZAA!!!

mbevo1 · **Reply #8 on:** August 11, 2009, 01:51:43 pm

Quote from: Cabo Cruz on August 11, 2009, 04:09:56 am

I also agree about keeping the sex in play; WOWZAA!!!

Br. Papa,

Yea, I remember when...

Mike and Stumpy in Michigan

Cabo Cruz · **Reply #9 on:** August 11, 2009, 09:56:42 pm

jdrouin · **Reply #10 on:** August 12, 2009, 08:13:49 pm

I was trying to stay out of it until this week when it became intriguing. I like the fact that Kevin has allowed a space for frank, unbounded discussion. CMW is a unique company for having such a feature on its website, and I admire that. But on the other hand, I think the overheated discussions sometimes give newcomers or outsiders the wrong impression of the community, and maybe even of the company that's hosting it.

After all, the forum is really about our shared pastime, and I'm not sure it's productive to be hashing out our national problems here. We've just lost (I hope only temporarily) a couple of our most helpful members, which is a negative effect on the community as a whole and really unnecessary.

Will's suggestion to take a poll is a good one. As Mike and Stumpy have observed, nobody's opinions have changed as a result of the political arguments, though I do think some people have come to understand the other side a little better. I'm therefore undecided as to how I would vote on such a poll if it were initiated, but I'm starting to think maybe we should keep our hands off the politics (but on the sex).

Jeff

clamp · **Reply #11 on:** August 13, 2009, 09:58:23 am

Boy, for a land of the free ,--you don't like free too much.

Fee to talk about what you want ,--thats what it says and until it does'nt then it is.

Your all big boys,--- are'nt you?

If you don't like it don't look. Don't tell others what to talk about.

Censor yourself if you want,------ but not me!!

mbevo1 · **Reply #12 on:** August 13, 2009, 02:05:48 pm

I've always loved your posts, Clamp...

Bring back very fond memories of Pattya...

Welcome back !

Mike and Stumpy in Michigan

Buford · **Reply #13 on:** August 13, 2009, 04:11:56 pm

Politics has ruined more than a few web forums. To my knowledge, nobody has ever changed anyone's opinion on a political subject over the internet.

Come to think of it, why have a section of this forum dedicated to anything other than motorcycle related stuff? What's next... a sub-forum for the discussion of lawn care.... pet food... Paris Hilton's latest porn movie?

Would it be asking too much for those interested in such banter to visit a different forum to get their fix? There's a pretty good one over at "debatepolitics.com".

I understand the idea that we could "just not go look at the Campfire talk if we don't like it. However. some of us will get sucked into it like cheap metal to a magnet. And, no good can come from it. Ever.

clamp · **Reply #14 on:** August 14, 2009, 02:50:39 am

[quote author=Buford

I understand the idea that we could "just not go look at the Campfire talk if we don't like it. However. some of us will get sucked into it like cheap metal to a magnet. And, no good can come from it. Ever.
[/quote]

Oh don't put yourself down,-- I would not call you cheap metal to a magnet ,--a lttle naive perhaps and a control freek but nothing insulting.

If you were right then we should stop TV ,---video games.

Your not a member of the Taliban are you? shall we hang Tv's in the tree?

The rest of us are quite capable of having a heated discussion without insults. If you are an excitable person and cant restrain yourself then perhaps you should not get involved , but what I have seen here is nothing but gentlemanly conversations.

Try not to get sucked in,--dont click, wear boxing gloves if you cant stop yourelf.

But what ever you do don't control me for your short falls.

The Garbone · **Reply #15 on:** August 14, 2009, 03:20:49 am

Quote

Boxing gloves

Awsome....

Cabo Cruz · **Reply #16 on:** August 14, 2009, 05:33:33 am

Hey, how 'bout a food fight?

Buford · **Reply #17 on:** August 14, 2009, 12:01:35 pm

Quote from: clamp

If you were right then we should stop TV ,---video games.

Your not a member of the Taliban are you? shall we hang Tv's in the tree?

Yes, Yes, No and Yes

1Blackwolf1 · **Reply #18 on:** August 14, 2009, 05:19:52 pm

Quote from: Cabo Cruz on August 14, 2009, 05:33:33 am

Hey, how 'bout a food fight?

Depends on what we're using. Spam would be good. Will.

GreenForce82 · **Reply #19 on:** August 15, 2009, 01:07:59 am

Thids place is nothing if not tame compared to the LvC (lincolns vs cadillacs) politics and current events section...

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/forumdisplay.php?f=21

If you wanna see some real assholes read how they treat people with opposing views in there... Guys named shagdrum, fossten, monster mark, and calabrio, all constantly demean anyone who opposes them. It sucks because the all lean pretty conservative and it paints a rough picture of conservatives.

It is entertaining though.

Perhaps we could separate the two concepts like they do, they have an Anything Goes section like our Campfire section, and a Politics and Current events section. That would keep it separate but still allow us to voice our opinions to our friends.

Just a thought...

clamp · **Reply #20 on:** August 15, 2009, 03:28:04 am

I don't think a boxing ring is appropriate, and we are leaving the point.

The point is it is suggested that I am to be told what not to talk about , how we talk about it is another aspect and relies on the individual.

Consequence of actions of what we say or do is a part of life. Remove that and we are no more than a farmed chicken.

Being rude is unnecessary and actually shows lack of skill in communication. experience in this will improve matters.

Cabo Cruz · **Reply #21 on:** August 15, 2009, 03:33:08 am

Depends on what we're using. Spam would be good. Will.

Yes, Br. Will, Spam would be an excellent choice!!!

Kevin Mahoney · **Reply #22 on:** August 15, 2009, 05:25:18 pm

I would like to ban the political stuff as nothing good ever comes of it but am a bit reluctant to start down that road. On the other hand that is where all of the trouble starts......... What say you?

Vince · **Reply #23 on:** August 15, 2009, 06:08:13 pm

Kevin, I have to agree with Clamp. Campfire Talk is a freewheeling discussion much different than the rest of the forum. As with every other section you are free to follow, ignore or participate. I think it ads spice to what otherwise would be a relatively dry forum. Sometimes people are offensive, sometimes people take offense. However one "feels" about any particular discussion, these discussions cement our relationship as U.S. citizens. We are united by a philosophy that is embodied in our bill of rights.
The question about this is : How do YOU feel about it? Despite the 1st amendment, this is YOUR forum. It is not public in the way a town meeting is. I have come to know you as a pretty reasonable and fair guy. So far I, at least, have concurred with your decision(s) to delete or stop certain threads that have gone too far. But do you want to end all of these kinds of discussions? I know that you have enjoyed and participated in some.
In this light I'm not sure a poll is appropriate or needed, But if you are soliciting opinions, mine is to continue on as we have been. This group is always in flux. People come and go for a variety of reasons. I have had people here, and at my store, take offense at me for the way I presented a solution to a mechanical problem. Some controversy is natural to the human condition. I think Campfire helps keep it from spilling over to other areas.
I would encourage all who choose to participate to act in a more dignified manner. An attacks is inappropriate, but so is inferring an attack merely because you are not agreed with. Both sides need to not be so serious or take things so personally. Will these things occur? All the time. We are human, after all.

ace.cafe · **Reply #24 on:** August 15, 2009, 06:41:39 pm

I could live with, or without, Campfire Talk.

Campfire Talk is not why I come to this website. But, I do participate if there's nothing for me to post on the tech threads.

I spend plenty of time on other political websites, and get my fill of arguments in those places. I'm practiced at it, know the issues, and can present a case, without having a myocardial infarction over it.

The rule for those types of forums is the old adage, "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen".

That said, if Campfire Talk went away tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it.
But, some people are active mostly in Campfire Talk, and they may like that part of the site the best.

Me, I don't care one way or the other.

Anon · **Reply #25 on:** August 15, 2009, 08:33:25 pm

Quote from: Kevin Mahoney on August 15, 2009, 05:25:18 pm

I would like to ban the political stuff as nothing good ever comes of it but am a bit reluctant to start down that road. On the other hand that is where all of the trouble starts......... What say you?

I used to think otherwise, but now I wouldn't miss it in the slightest if it was banned. I participate a little, but mostly only to tip the scales a little. I know I'm not likely to convince anyone to change their mind about politics/religion, and they're unlikely to convince me to change my mind either. I agree that one simply has to avoid reading the topics, but I admit I find it hard because I often use the "view the most recent posts on the forum" feature. It's a good way to catch all the recent posts and avoid missing something you might be interested in or want to participate in. It also makes it hard to miss topics that might get you riled up, so it's a double edged sword.

If I want to talk politics or religion, I can engage people at one of my neighborhood pubs or coffee shops and have a much greater chance that no gets misunderstood or gets offended, since we're talking face to face. There's plenty to talk about without pushing each others hot buttons.

Eamon

Ice · **Reply #26 on:** August 15, 2009, 09:25:23 pm

I have no problem with Campfire Talk.
I would like to see a bit more discussion on other topics though.

clamp · **Reply #27 on:** August 16, 2009, 02:19:35 am

Talking face to face will always deter the speaker from really letting out his opinion.

I dont think anyone thinks they will change someones point of view-but you will never know.
And is it about that? is it not just interesting how others think and from this a yard stick can be offered to your own way of thinking.

It may not change your mind but it may soften your stance on a subject that you were adamant about until you realized you were the only one who thought that way.

I am from a Northern town in England I was always told that a spade is a spade and bloody well say so. Not telling how you think was a terrible social crime, and you were considered a less of a man for doing so.

To be honest --this blatent honesty was thought to stop fights rather than encourage them.

Cabo Cruz · **Reply #28 on:** August 16, 2009, 04:42:46 am

Br. Kevin, having choices is very important to all individuals, as you well know. I am, nonetheless, indifferent about having the option of discussing politics and religion in Campfire Talk. My position is based on the fact that I chose to stop making comments on these two subjects several months ago. I log into our forum to read about and respond to all Bullet-related matters and not at all about the unsuccessful and interminable political or religious debates. Your final decision may very well be to keep Campfire Talk open to all subjects for those who wish to actively participate in all the subjects.

Having said all this and respecting the opinions of others, I will, in my particular case, continue a) to participate in or b) to ignore the the topics of my choosing. Lastly, I thank you for asking for our opinions -- our choices!

Kevin Mahoney · **Reply #29 on:** August 16, 2009, 06:13:28 am

I appreciate that it is in fact my forum, but it is our community. I enjoy the area myself, but the political stuff has gotten a bit un-civil lately. Maybe if we were a wee bit more careful.....
As I anounced earlier I am going to start eliminating old threads to make some space, so maybe we can agree to play nice. We have done a wonderful job of that for the most part.

Ice · **Reply #30 on:** August 16, 2009, 08:40:45 am

We can all do our bit to free up CMW disc space by cleaning out our IM in boxes.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if the IM in/out boxes auto deleted after so many days.

r80rt · **Reply #31 on:** August 25, 2009, 02:21:51 am

I can do without campfire talk, but I have to agree with Clamp on this one.

RAKe · **Reply #32 on:** October 04, 2009, 10:37:52 pm

I agree with both Clamp and Vince in this thread. While the discussions here cover any number of debatable current events and other topics, and can also get pretty charged at times, all the posters here are intelligent, reasonably respectful, and expletives and other such world-changing excitations are rare. But I do remember once, after a late night downtown, I was involved in a debate on this site that must have been unacceptable. Later, when I tried to review the content of that discussion, it had been erased. Wish I could remember what we were arguing about--I'll bet it was interesting!!

But I often appreciate the spirited debate when it occurs, and use the freedom Clamp discussed to charge right in (as is my hardheaded nature) and take a stance. We all have different experiences and guidelines that determine the choices we make in life, and I get a kick out of hearing arguments from the "other side" of an issue. I might not appreciate some (much) of what I see and hear in the world, but does that mean I should be able to interfere with freedoms that "offend" me? I might be in a distinct minority, but I say let the debates continue!!

stipa · **Reply #33 on:** October 07, 2009, 06:38:32 pm

I didn't know where to post this; is it political, controversial, or verboten? But,,,on the morning news a couple of days ago, (national), in a video story about the Taliban's latest transgressions in Afghanistan, I could have sworn those guys were riding Enfields. It was only a front shot, and very quick at that, but thats what it looked like.
Did anybody else see this? Is there dealerships in Islamabad?
All of them, (a group of 8 or 10), had weapons slung on backs, and looks like the helmut laws are pretty lax there.
But the media what it is, how do we really know what we're looking at?
Just wondering.

Steve J., do the Puyallup

The Garbone · **Reply #34 on:** October 07, 2009, 07:46:34 pm

Rally at the River?

stipa · **Reply #35 on:** October 07, 2009, 08:20:29 pm

No alcohol? No women? Not much of a party, eh?

REpozer · **Reply #36 on:** October 09, 2009, 02:05:29 am

I think Camp Fire talk had its fire removed, just old embers now, and allot of dust.

Bullet.wagon · **Reply #37 on:** October 20, 2009, 09:05:09 pm

I tried to research the Enfield connection to the Taliban but only came up with Chinese Honda clones ,125 cc being busted by A10'S . Well more like annihilated .

Quote from: stipa on October 07, 2009, 06:38:32 pm

I didn't know where to post this; is it political, controversial, or verboten? But,,,on the morning news a couple of days ago, (national), in a video story about the Taliban's latest transgressions in Afghanistan, I could have sworn those guys were riding Enfields. It was only a front shot, and very quick at that, but that's what it looked like.
Did anybody else see this? Is there dealerships in Islamabad?
All of them, (a group of 8 or 10), had weapons slung on backs, and looks like the helmut laws are pretty lax there.
But the media what it is, how do we really know what we're looking at?
Just wondering.

Steve J., do the Puyallup

dogbone · **Reply #38 on:** October 30, 2009, 04:36:02 pm

I participate on 6 forums, I also have been censored, Campfire allows "expression"
I think the objectors can ignore my obscenity's by not reading .

flintweld · **Reply #39 on:** October 30, 2009, 05:21:44 pm

Hey Dogbone,

We've both probably been ejected from finer establishments than this one!

rideOn · **Reply #40 on:** November 30, 2009, 08:23:57 pm

i scanned through the first three pages on campfire talk, 60 topics, and see one that is political. that's 1.6% of the conversations. one post does not make the bell curve. that's the problem with politics in america: lying down for the 1.6% that cannot even make the second deviation

Sam Simons · **Reply #41 on:** December 04, 2009, 05:32:11 pm

"I would like to ban the political stuff as nothing good ever comes of it...." Kev sez.
Well,then, do it! Yer payin' the bill.......

REpozer · **Reply #42 on:** December 04, 2009, 05:41:00 pm

Quote from: Sam Simons on December 04, 2009, 05:32:11 pm

"I would like to ban the political stuff as nothing good ever comes of it...." Kev sez.
Well,then, do it! Yer payin' the bill.......

From an economical point, capitalistically speaking, and from a truly logical assumption: Campfire Talk must have some value to Kevin ,or he would gotten rid of it long ago.
That's your world as I see it.

Sam Simons · **Reply #43 on:** December 04, 2009, 08:52:26 pm

Well,here we go again.......the usual......let's let Kevin explain and decide....apparently he is having some doubt......

The Garbone · **Reply #44 on:** December 04, 2009, 09:59:05 pm

I like both Campfire Talk and Everything Bagels with Veggie Cream Cheese.

single · **Reply #45 on:** December 07, 2009, 04:55:26 pm

As long as "It" stays in Campfire,seems like it ought to be ok.Fun to read.easier to get to than other sites,I'm usually here already.Just something interesting to check out while on this forum.Your call,tho',Kevin.Thanx a lot for the whole thing,by the way.

Author Topic: Campfire talk (Read 17634 times)

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