You would think someone in Detroit might get their head outta their...Now would that "someone" be OBAMA who seems to be doing the hiring and firing or the Taxpayers in general?
Geoff, Geoff, Geoff,I always thought conservatives believed the 55 mph limit to be an unconscionable infringement on their Constitutional right to go very very fast...By the very definition of conservative they would be the ones wanting to go slower.
just noticed this one Kevin... If that definition was true, then conservatives would be conservationists as well, and we KNOW that ain't true...Being a conservative, in my observation, has never been about conserving ANYTHING (let alone speed)... it's about blowing your resources just as fast as you can and calling it the 'free market' at work...
QuoteThis is why I'm not worried about alternative energy. When the need presents itself (read: when gas gets expensive and stays expensive), creativity will kick in.So here's a truly shocking thought... let's get a head start.A national tax of $5 per gallon. Proceeds either fund alternative vehicles or pay off the deficit, you choose.
This is why I'm not worried about alternative energy. When the need presents itself (read: when gas gets expensive and stays expensive), creativity will kick in.
You left out one very important aspect to the free market system.Domestic oil exploration and production.That would solve allot.
Unless of course you want to subsidize domestic exploration through artificially cheap leases or tax cuts... but no, that's NOT market forces, dude... that's that pesky evil old gummint interventionism...CAN'T HAVE THAT, now can we??
Let me see if I got this right... you want 'market forces' to solve this problem.
We've had the same problem for ninety years and market forces haven't solved it yet; here's why...So long as gas is extractable, the people owning the land (OPEC) will charge as much as they can get away with to maximize profits - and cut production to artificially induce higher prices, whenever prices are low.
When gas gets too high and demand cuts back (people start buying efficient cars) OPEC immediately raises production, drops prices, and floods the market. People go back to inefficient cars, because they cost less.
That's market forces for you and it will stay this way until gas runs out. Period.
We're talking about doing something that is in our nation's interest - not OPEC's (or Alaska's for that matter). This CANNOT be done purely by bowing to the gods of 'market forces'
So the government plays a role in setting an agenda and a goal, based on public demand as expressed in majority votes (electing a President committed to energy independence, not just one who talks about it) and figures out how best to achieve that goal.
As the goal is energy independence, one certain way is to artificially raise prices and use the revenues to fund either alternative vehicles or alternative fuels or an expanded electric grid, whatever.
Nothing complex about it.But if you wait for market forces to fix this, you'll be waiting forever.
Just like if you wait for market forces to fix pollution - market forces don't care about pollution, people do.
Market forces don't care about anything except producing goods at the lowest price. So market forces would (and did) prefer slavery, as a system... except that we, as individuals, don't like that idea so we vote for a system that keeps market forces in check in certain areas.Sometimes I really wonder why I have to keep explaining capitalism to conservative capitalists? There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of what 'market forces' are and how they work. I've had conservatives seriously tell me that market forces will solve pollution through the 'cap and trade' market (because they don't understand that the cap and trade market is a fiction, merely a way of government controlling pollution by creating a system that sort of looks like a market but is simply regulation at work.)
I've had capitalists explain to me that they think the Chinese entrepreneur shouldn't be penalized by any tariff system and free market forces should be left to manage our trade with China.... - as if the Chinese entrepreneur isn't subsizided by a centralized Communist government, as if his workers aren't barred from any collective bargaining activity (because they don't need it living as they do in a worker's paradise); as if the Chinese entrepreneur doesn't contract out work to Chinese prison industries where Tianamen Square activists are still serving their twenty year sentences for asking for freedom... We aren't dealing with 'free market' forces in our China trade; we're dealing with a central Communist government manipulating its population with the goal of simply conquering our markets through government control ... which our capitalists like because it means cheap goods, that's all.
Now you're saying that capitalism will solve a problem where Arab oil producers can always artificially control the price of oil (and have controlled, since the formation of OPEC)... and how precisely can we do that? Short of invading?
We can't. All we can do is decide that as a nation, we don't have to play their game.The solutions are obvious, and simple.
OPEC is, for the most part, a group of dictators running a cartel which is different from the drug cartel only in that it's legal and can cross any border. When they need more gold toilets in their palaces, they jack up the price. They are the largest funders of terrorists worldwide, who have killed thousands of Americans already.
Your solution to the problem? Let 'em keep doing it, it's "market forces" at work.Remind me not to vote for you!
And bailouts will be paid through ... deficit borrowingAnd deficit borrowing will be paid through... taxes.There really is no rabbit hole, and no magic act. We're just fooling ourselves.The Democratic party is the party of taxes.The Republican party, because it supports deficit financing without bothering to arrange to get the income to pay for such financing, is now officially the party of deferred taxes, which means it is the party of higher taxes, because, after all, deferred taxes equal taxes plus interest. Lots of it.Eventually, most everyone will figure this out.
Now here's a thought.How about we just tax foreign oil?By artifically raising the price of foreign oil, we allow domestic oil value to rise without such taxes... which means exploration and profits for domestic oil producers.
And we cut our dependence on the Saudis.And we use the revenue to give Billy-Jo and Bubba a "cash-for-clunker" low interest loan so they can trade in their Power Wagon for a Jetta TDI and because they're getting four times the mpg - even at $7 a gallon - it ends up costing them no more than it did before.
Of course, Detroit could profit from it, if they only made efficient cars... duh...
No, let's stick with market forces which are making the Saudis the richest people on earth and funding terrorism worldwide. Much better.
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