Author Topic: Bullet / B5 no more in USA?  (Read 6201 times)

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on: March 27, 2019, 01:07:22 pm
Sorry if this has been covered here already...

The official USA website doesn't show the Bullet or B5 model on offer - has it been discontinued in the states?


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Reply #1 on: March 27, 2019, 03:46:39 pm
I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be too surprised that the 650 will be replacing the 500 single in the U.S. market. My comment to Royal Enfield NA though, would be don't count your chickens until the hatch.   ::)
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Reply #2 on: March 27, 2019, 10:45:24 pm
The USA site currently shows 3 models on offer: the new 650's, the Himalyan, and the "Classic" model - the latter of which we used to call the C5...


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Reply #3 on: March 27, 2019, 11:42:06 pm
Honestly, I don't think most Americans like the utilitary look of the standard Bullets. Those that do seem to have, shall we say, eclectic taste, anyhow. Ask me how I know.

Could also be making room for the 'new' trials Bullet??
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Reply #4 on: March 28, 2019, 12:27:24 am
I often wondered why RE USA had both the B5 and C5 models.
 
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Reply #5 on: March 28, 2019, 05:37:03 am
I often wondered why RE USA had both the B5 and C5 models.

They are different and appeal to different people.

The B5 is pretty much the original  UK designed 1950's bullet and uses the original 1950s British frame wheels etc (but has a disk brake and with a more modern engine shoehorned in to meet modern emission/noise requirements) and B5 parts and accessories will often bolt straight onto a 1950's bullet and visa versa.

The C5 is not an original British Enfield design - it is an Indian retro styled design based on the original Bullets. It is more akin to the current flock of Harley/Triumph retro bikes, bikes designed for people wanting a retro look and feel but not overly interested in how authentically they resemble genuine original vintage/classic bikes.

In a sense the B5 is much closer to what a 1950's British Bike actually was (albeit with modern engine and disk brakes) whereas the C5 is more representative of what the average person thinks a bike from that period should look like.  For example the C5 has a late 1950's style swing arm rear end but the wrong sized wheels for the 50's (and in later versions even has more modern straight forks) and has a solo seat that was much more common on plunger/rigid bikes from the 30's and 40's .  The C5 is a fine bike and I would happily own one, but its much more about looking like what people expect a 50's bike to look like than anything else.

By the way  ... you can also expect the current Himalayan to disappear later this year because a 650 twin version has already been announced.
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Reply #6 on: March 28, 2019, 10:37:32 am
The B5 is pretty much the original  UK designed 1950's bullet and uses the original 1950s British frame wheels etc (but has a disk brake and with a more modern engine shoehorned in to meet modern emission/noise requirements) and B5 parts and accessories will often bolt straight onto a 1950's bullet and visa versa.

If the latter is true, RE suppliers in North America never let on, or took advantage of the fact by making them available.  There were always many more parts and accessories available for the C5, the B5 was the shameful bastard child.  But I like it better!

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By the way  ... you can also expect the current Himalayan to disappear later this year because a 650 twin version has already been announced.

If so, I wonder if there will be any deals on the current version, new or used?  I'd rather have the smaller one...


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Reply #7 on: March 28, 2019, 11:49:50 am
Do you know if the smaller Himalyan single is being discontinued just in the USA, or world-wide?  The latter seems unlikely...


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Reply #8 on: March 28, 2019, 01:14:41 pm
Do you know if the smaller Himalyan single is being discontinued just in the USA, or world-wide?  The latter seems unlikely...

That would be my thought, especially considering that the 650 Himalayan will be more money than the street going 650 twins.
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Reply #9 on: March 28, 2019, 05:07:33 pm
What known issues with the current motor???
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Reply #10 on: March 28, 2019, 07:37:33 pm
It is a little early for April Fools, right... ???

I am having cognitive dissonance about this whole Himalayan thing...  :o :P
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Reply #11 on: March 28, 2019, 08:26:18 pm
    Shifting problems; Not wanting to shift or hitting false neutrals, Charging system is crap due to an under powered stator (not enough coils), notorious for leaking oil early on and then again after every gasket change. You chase leaks constantly. Engine shuts down randomly, cam chain noise due to faulty tensioners, The list goes on and on my friend.

Interesting. I've not experienced any of those issues, and I ran mine at WOT every time out on the road.

I'm aware of issues early in the LC410 run. Nothing as of late. Care to share where this information comes from? Or just hearsay?

For the record, I ran my heated gear, consisting of gloves and vest, just fine over the winter time.
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Reply #12 on: March 28, 2019, 10:19:18 pm
I have a real issue with someone making blanket statements and not being able to back that up with a source.

Maybe you should climb on over to the large thread on Advrider. I'm sure they would love to discuss this issue with you.
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Reply #13 on: March 28, 2019, 10:49:38 pm
    From what I understand, it will be discontinued world wide. The new engine is specifically designed for the Himalayan and completely eradicates the known issues with the present engine.

I thought the Himalyan's 650 is the same engine used in the new 650 Interceptor and Conti.  Are you saying they've designed yet another brand new engine for just the Himi, and are altogether discarding the smaller brand new design?


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Reply #14 on: March 28, 2019, 11:05:04 pm
    From what I understand, it will be discontinued world wide. The new engine is specifically designed for the Himalayan and completely eradicates the known issues with the present engine.

Actually this Indian article indicates the engine will be pretty much a generic 650 ...

https://news.maxabout.com/bikes/royal-enfield/royal-enfield-himalayan-650-launch-india/

But the Indian media is notorious for unfounded conjecture, as with all things Enfield I suppose we need to wait and see.