Author Topic: Plug and play oil cooling system for UCE (Read 8144 times)

turbosam · **on:** July 11, 2018, 06:28:10 am

Hello every one .
i would like to know if there is any Bolt on /Plug and play Oil cooling system available for UCE 500?

Rattlebattle · **Reply #1 on:** July 11, 2018, 08:16:07 am

In this year's Hitchcock's catalogue there is mention of an oil cooler kit for the UCE models. AFAIK it is not yet in production. Not really needed in the UK.

Roger · **Reply #2 on:** July 11, 2018, 01:46:21 pm

I always assumed that if over heating was an issue then it would be an issue in India. That being said, it's 100° plus over here in the California central valley. The bike seems to handle it better than I do.

Rattlebattle · **Reply #3 on:** July 11, 2018, 05:10:31 pm

I wouldn’t have thought it necessary either, though I note that the Himalayan has one. This could be because the engine design is air/oil cooled, like my Hinckley Triumph Twin. This has pockets in the cylinder head in which cooling oil is pumped (two oil pumps on a Triumph), the idea being to cool the exhaust valve area. A similar system was used on the BMW oilheads (hence the nickname) I used to own, and on the earlier Suzuki Bandits. IIRC the new RE twins have one too. But this was all part of the design. I don’t know why one would be needed on a UCE bike unless it is tuned significantly.

Roger · **Reply #4 on:** July 11, 2018, 07:30:41 pm

I also assumed the Himalayan and the new 650s were oil cooled to help meet environmental regulations.

Bulletman · **Reply #5 on:** July 12, 2018, 07:35:07 am

Quote from: Roger on July 11, 2018, 01:46:21 pm

I always assumed that if over heating was an issue then it would be an issue in India. That being said, it's 100° plus over here in the California central valley. The bike seems to handle it better than I do.

India is Hot but extremely humid, the speeds in India rarely exceed over 35 mph, I doubt there would be a heating issue in India, on the other hand in this Sweltering Central Valley we live in, it’s definitely not a good idea to take the bike out on long runs in 100
Plus degree heat, at least I don’t take that chance.

Arizoni · **Reply #6 on:** July 12, 2018, 07:16:02 pm

Personally, I don't have any use for a oil cooler for my RE and I live in a city where the summer temperatures can easily reach 115° F in the shade.

Even on a moderate day where it is only 100° F, I have noticed after riding 10-15 miles at about 40 mph, the oil temperature doesn't seem to be much over 130° F (using my "hold your hand on the clutch cover and guess how hot it is." method.
130° F is about where my hand says, "Damn! That's hot and I'm not burning yet but gt me away from there.")

About the only times my oil seemed to get up to a temperature it likes, like 180°-250° is after I've ridden for 10-15 miles at 60+ mph on a hot day.

Richard230 · **Reply #7 on:** July 12, 2018, 10:15:12 pm

Quote from: Arizoni on July 12, 2018, 07:16:02 pm

Personally, I don't have any use for a oil cooler for my RE and I live in a city where the summer temperatures can easily reach 115° F in the shade.

Even on a moderate day where it is only 100° F, I have noticed after riding 10-15 miles at about 40 mph, the oil temperature doesn't seem to be much over 130° F (using my "hold your hand on the clutch cover and guess how hot it is." method.
130° F is about where my hand says, "Damn! That's hot and I'm not burning yet but gt me away from there.")

About the only times my oil seemed to get up to a temperature it likes, like 180°-250° is after I've ridden for 10-15 miles at 60+ mph on a hot day.

I have a 2005 Triumph Bonneville T100 (with a large oil cooler) and most of the time the oil temperature shown on my meat thermometer gauge indicates 180-200 degrees, depending upon the ambient temperature. But a few times I have ridden in 100 degree temperatures on the freeway at 70 mph and after about 20 minutes of riding the oil temperature gauge will indicate 250 degrees. I guess that is why Triumph recommended Mobil 1 20-50 viscosity full-synthetic and expensive "racing" oil at the time. Now I use whatever is cheap and avoid riding on the freeway in 100 degree temperatures for any length of time.

And speaking of hot engines, I seem to recall that some Indian owners of the Himalayan were complaining about overheating of their new bikes when riding in hot weather during the first year that they were introduced into their market. $:-\$

turbosam · **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2018, 01:08:10 pm

hello everyone .
in india , RE is a cult bike as well as a Tourer .
i am in to long distance continuous riding, (400km at a stretch , easy rider(500miles/12hrs) saddle sore 1000 miles in 24 hrs ..... that too in india ..!!!.)
i also tour a lot with a pilon + two saddle bags and bike gets really hot .
230+deg F is measured at the sight glass regularly .

Lot of oil is consumed especially at long distence rides.(upto 1.9 lit in one saddle sore 1650km/22 hrs)
i tried
RE liquid gun(20 w 50 mineral ),
motul 3100(mineral),
motul 5100(20w50 semi syn),
motul 7100(20w50 syn),
amsoil V twin 15w 50 fully syn)
Amsoil 10 W 60 (fully synthetic)
Oil consumption is much lesser in Amsoil oils but still alarming .
350 and 500 both have same surface area , ridden at almost same road speed and rpm . but 500 produces @40% more torque/power and hence heat .
adding a oil cooler will add more quantity so repeatability of the oil will reduce life will increase , and cooler oil will help keep the engine hover around 210 220 deg F ..and control excessive thermal expansions , and arrest oil consumption ..
the engine needs serious cooling .

at least in india.

Rattlebattle · **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2018, 03:01:39 pm

Quote from: Richard230 on July 12, 2018, 10:15:12 pm

I have a 2005 Triumph Bonneville T100 (with a large oil cooler) and most of the time the oil temperature shown on my meat thermometer gauge indicates 180-200 degrees, depending upon the ambient temperature. But a few times I have ridden in 100 degree temperatures on the freeway at 70 mph and after about 20 minutes of riding the oil temperature gauge will indicate 250 degrees. I guess that is why Triumph recommended Mobil 1 20-50 viscosity full-synthetic and expensive "racing" oil at the time. Now I use whatever is cheap and avoid riding on the freeway in 100 degree temperatures for any length of time.

And speaking of hot engines, I seem to recall that some Indian owners of the Himalayan were complaining about overheating of their new bikes when riding in hot weather during the first year that they were introduced into their market. $:-\$

My Triumph Thruxton with oil cooler runs hotter than my C5 without. I put this down to the much higher specific output of the Triumph. My C5 seems quite cool running here in the UK. Triumph recommend Castrol 10-40 or 15-50 these days. I put Valvolene 10-50 fully synthetic in both. Makes life easier.

turbosam · **Reply #10 on:** July 25, 2018, 10:09:22 am

Could Not
find Hitchcock product catalogue..!
link plz

tooseevee · **Reply #11 on:** July 25, 2018, 04:19:27 pm

Quote from: turbosam on July 25, 2018, 10:09:22 am

Could Not
find Hitchcock product catalogue..!
link plz

You have to buy something from Hitchcocks and then they will send you their catalog in the mail.

tooseevee · **Reply #12 on:** July 25, 2018, 04:22:44 pm

Quote from: turbosam on July 13, 2018, 01:08:10 pm

hello everyone .
in india , RE is a cult bike as well as a Tourer .
i am in to long distance continuous riding, (400km at a stretch , easy rider(500miles/12hrs) saddle sore 1000 miles in 24 hrs ..... that too in india ..!!!.)
i also tour a lot with a pilon + two saddle bags and bike gets really hot .
230+deg F is measured at the sight glass regularly .

Lot of oil is consumed especially at long distence rides.(upto 1.9 lit in one saddle sore 1650km/22 hrs)
i tried
RE liquid gun(20 w 50 mineral ),
motul 3100(mineral),
motul 5100(20w50 semi syn),
motul 7100(20w50 syn),
amsoil V twin 15w 50 fully syn)
Amsoil 10 W 60 (fully synthetic)
Oil consumption is much lesser in Amsoil oils but still alarming .
350 and 500 both have same surface area , ridden at almost same road speed and rpm . but 500 produces @40% more torque/power and hence heat .
adding a oil cooler will add more quantity so repeatability of the oil will reduce life will increase , and cooler oil will help keep the engine hover around 210 220 deg F ..and control excessive thermal expansions , and arrest oil consumption ..
the engine needs serious cooling .

at least in india.

Why do millions of Enfields in India seem to be running all over the place every day year after year without oil coolers??

suitcasejefferson · **Reply #13 on:** August 04, 2018, 09:49:45 pm

I have found, with air cooled VWs and bikes, if the engine is running hot, the solution is to simply richen the air/fuel mixture. Very easy with a carburetor, just put in larger jets. A lot more complicated with EFI, but it can be done. You have to spend $500 on a Power Commander. The only EFI bike I've ever owned was my 2013 RE B5, and I chose to convert it to a carb with a kit from Hitchcocks. Right away I noticed a huge difference. The carb was obviously a lot richer than the EFI. The engine performed much better from idle (which could be adjusted much lower than with EFI) to as fast as I will ever ride it. And that is with an aftermarket exhaust as well. It runs noticeably cooler as well. I live in south central AZ, and it gets HOT here. It has already hit 120 degrees F this summer. IMO, oil coolers are only needed on high performance racing engines, or engines that are running too lean.

" Why do millions of Enfields in India seem to be running all over the place every day year after year without oil coolers??" I suspect it is because India does not have an EPA.

ColinT · **Reply #14 on:** November 16, 2018, 12:04:56 pm

Hitchcocks Catalogue.

https://content.yudu.com/libraryHtml/A43715/20182019HitchcocksMo/56.html?origin=reader

ace.cafe · **Reply #15 on:** November 16, 2018, 01:29:55 pm

In the past, I built custom mini oil coolers for the Iron Barrel models. Even made some that had thermostatically controlled operation with automatic bypass and electric fan on the radiator.

In the end, it turned out to just not be needed.

I would have posted pics if the new forum hadn't deleted the entire Photo Gallery.

GlennF · **Reply #16 on:** November 19, 2018, 03:32:03 am

Whilst I have never had oil issues with my B5 (if anything it might even run too cold in winter) I am sure if you were sitting on 75 mph for hours on a desert highway in mid summer it may be different.

With regard to Indian use I suspect doing 30 mph around town or doing a similar speed in a remote village with your grandmother, 4 chooks and a pig on the back is not going to over strees the cooling too much.

Richard230 · **Reply #17 on:** November 19, 2018, 02:05:22 pm

Quote from: GlennF on November 19, 2018, 03:32:03 am

Whilst I have never had oil issues with my B5 (if anything it might even run too cold in winter) I am sure if you were sitting on 75 mph for hours on a desert highway in mid summer it may be different.

With regard to Indian use I suspect doing 30 mph around town or doing a similar speed in a remote village with your grandmother, 4 chooks and a pig on the back is not going to over strees the cooling too much.

Royal Enfield could always do what Harley does with their new engines and shut down one cylinder when the bike starts to overheat after idling for a while.

(Why design a proper cooling system when you can just shut down half of your engine once it starts getting too hot?

A computer shutdown program is a lot cheaper than a larger oil cooler and fan - like Buel used on their engines.

)

Stanley · **Reply #18 on:** November 19, 2018, 05:07:51 pm

I've monitored my head temps with a laser thermometer. The head temp on my IB soars at stoplights in hot weather. As long as it's rolling it stays cool.
I have doubts about fitting a cooler.

thefastelephant · **Reply #19 on:** March 06, 2023, 04:32:45 pm

Hello All,

Greetings from India!

Want to ask the experts here if there is still a possibility to have a plug and play or slightly modified Oil Cooler mod possible for the GT 535 like what hitchcocks has shown earlier or something alike cos' on a bright sunny day and bumper to bumper traffic my GT now has stared to stall.

Maybe 6 years ago it wasn't a problem but the traffic and climate today sure calls for added cooling.

Regards,
Aditya B.

gizzo · **Reply #20 on:** March 06, 2023, 09:26:16 pm

You might have better luck pulling the head off and decarbonising the combustion chamber and piston, replace the sparkplug and run a bottle of injector cleaner through it.

axman88 · **Reply #21 on:** March 07, 2023, 07:15:44 pm

Quote from: thefastelephant on March 06, 2023, 04:32:45 pm

Want to ask the experts here if there is still a possibility to have a plug and play or slightly modified Oil Cooler mod possible for the GT 535 like what hitchcocks has shown earlier or something alike cos' on a bright sunny day and bumper to bumper traffic my GT now has stared to stall.

There is, (or was) A bolt-on kit developed by Venture Inc, (of India?). This system apparently consisted of a specially machined oil filter cover, along with a Himalayan oil cooler fitted with custom inflow and outflow chambers.

I can't find any images beyond the first prototype, which used copper tubing for the main oil lines. I attached an image of the right side, and more info can be found at the links.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBO0Bg1Q3cg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bupQhe9WLVw
https://www.91wheels.com/news/how-to-install-oil-cooler-kit-in-royal-enfield#openpopup
https://m.facebook.com/venture.inc/photos/bolt-on-oil-cooler-kit-for-re-350-500-with-uce-engines/238491980895366/

I'm no expert, but, ..
- I question whether the locations on the filter housing chosen for outflow to the oil cooler and inflow from the oil cooler, are at different oil pressure? If they are not, why would oil flow through the cooler?
- If indeed those positions are at different pressures, would not oil flow through the oil cooler rob pressure and volume from the crankshaft main and rod bearings?

Guaire · **Reply #22 on:** March 09, 2023, 12:42:08 am

Quote from: gizzo on March 06, 2023, 09:26:16 pm

You might have better luck pulling the head off and decarbonising the combustion chamber and piston, replace the sparkplug and run a bottle of injector cleaner through it.

But I want to bolt on something!!!

It's amazing to see how much carbon crud shows up and how quickly it arrives on the motor. That black caked on stuff is not so good releasing heat either.
If you haven't 'decarbonized' since yesterday, you may need to decarbonize!

thefastelephant · **Reply #23 on:** March 12, 2023, 10:55:56 am

Checked with Hitchcocks on their 'Plug and play' Oil cooler device. Its still under development and is being researched and developed on a classic frame. Apparently they aren't testing it on a GT 535.

There is a 612cc Custom TB500 UCE Cafe Racer here in Punjab (India) that has an interesting Oil Cooler Setup. You can search for this bike on Instagram as #vajra612

The Oil Cooler Inlet has been taken from the Crankcase and the outlet is sent to the EOT Sensor (Engine Oil Temp Sensor) on the cylinder barrel under the throttle body with help of a custom CNC machined part for the EOT sensor and oil cooler hose connection.

Apparently this setup has no issues for over 10,000kms and is running currently, flawless. This setup was adopted after some research by the custom shop to ensure no drop in oil pressure in the existing setup.

No clear photos or videos are available as the owner and custom-shop won't share any but you can check it out on IG.