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Reply #15 on: January 29, 2018, 12:03:23 pm
Before spending out on new bars,
first adjust the levers to a position that is more comfortable, then loosen the handlebar and turn it in the clamp to a more suitable angle before tightening up.
Another issue you may have is the grips are to narrow for your hands, try fitting a set of grip puppies over the standard grips, this has the effect of widening the grips and also helps reduce vibration felt through the hands.
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Reply #16 on: January 29, 2018, 02:27:59 pm
Subbu-500: I am no doctor, but nobody has yet mentioned a very common medical issue called Carpal Tunnel Syndrome (CTS) caused by repetitive stress on the nerves that run from your hand through your wrist.  People who type a lot often suffer from it, as well as musicians and yes, motorcyclists--anyone whose wrist is often bent while performing some repetitive task...such as operating a clutch or brake lever or a throttle, and vibration can aggravate the problem.  Sounds like the very definition of a Bulleteer to me!

I do not wish to alarm you, but as well as trying some of the suggestions offered on this forum, and perhaps adjusting your handlebars and control levers to keep your hand in line with the wrist as much as possible and not bent, if you’re often feeling pain, numbness, tingling, or weakness in your hand, consider asking your doctor to check you for Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. 

Rather unsurprisingly, the Oympia Glove Company suggests in its online article "The Impact Of Motorcycle Gloves On Carpal Tunnel Syndrome" that gloves may help with the condition...but then again, they may have another article claiming that good gloves can cure male pattern baldness, so consider the source, Sir.  Still, in most of the Enfield videos I see on YouTube from India, it seems few of you intrepid Bulleteers yonder seem to wear gloves while riding.  If you're one of those ungloved, then you may want to try a pair with a little padding in them, and, as they say in the old Haynes motorcycle repair manuals: "observe effect on performance."

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Reply #17 on: January 29, 2018, 07:51:47 pm
Personally, I've found that my left wrist hurts more than as often not and blaming it on clutch action reach. I've adjusted my bars here and there, levers to suit. I am trying to decide if to go with the adjustable levers that are available but I only want to bring the clutch lever about 10mm I reckon to avoid stretching the fingers.

Regarding gloves, I've also found that the effect is less noticeable wearing my summer gloves than the thicker winter ones. so there's a factor.

And i also suffer from Reynauds apparently. Most likely bought on by years of smoking and power tools.


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Reply #18 on: February 02, 2018, 10:40:35 am
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Subbu-500: I am no doctor, but nobody has yet mentioned a very common medical issue called Carpal Tunnel Syndrome (CTS) caused by repetitive stress on the nerves that run from your hand through your wrist.
Thank you for the heads up and concern. I went through a few articles on CTS and i think it is about time i saw a doc and got some professional advice.
The clutch and brake levers on mine are perfectly level and i never ride without gloves unless i am riding for very short distances while running some errands... i will see a doc and report here of the diagnosis. I just hope and pray that he does not say my riding days are over  :( for they have barely begun
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Reply #19 on: February 03, 2018, 12:31:28 am
Thank you for the heads up and concern. I went through a few articles on CTS and i think it is about time i saw a doc and got some professional advice.
The clutch and brake levers on mine are perfectly level and i never ride without gloves unless i am riding for very short distances while running some errands... i will see a doc and report here of the diagnosis. I just hope and pray that he does not say my riding days are over  :( for they have barely begun

when you say your levers are level, do you mean they are horizontal with the ground?  If so, then this could force your wrists back. When I am sitting on my bike there is a straight line down my arm and through my hands onto the levers.  in other words, my levers are tilted forwards.  This feels natural to me, and places no strain on my wrists. 

<Edit> ah, just seen that Bilgemaster has suggested the same thing! Great minds think alike, etc...

if your clutch lever feels very heavy to use, perhaps the clutch lever needs oiled - forgive me if you have already tried that. As an alternative, perhaps there is a hydraulic clutch conversion available?
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Reply #20 on: February 03, 2018, 03:29:09 am
Thank you for the heads up and concern. I went through a few articles on CTS and i think it is about time i saw a doc and got some professional advice.
The clutch and brake levers on mine are perfectly level and i never ride without gloves unless i am riding for very short distances while running some errands... i will see a doc and report here of the diagnosis. I just hope and pray that he does not say my riding days are over  :( for they have barely begun

No need for pessimism or dark thoughts of needing to swear off riding.  A good friend from my former workplace suffered from CTS, and she merely needed to wear a sort of light wrist brace now and then--something like a half-glove, especially while typing. She is a historian and types...A LOT!

Cheer up! Lots of people get CTS from time to time, and they are not banished to the hills at the edge of town. Talking to your doctor about it would be an excellent idea though.
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Reply #21 on: February 04, 2018, 03:35:01 am
O.K - so a bit right field but....had a Suzuki GSX750F Sports tourer and had similar due to weight pushing down onto bars / wrists - trainer at gym suggested taking a bit of broom handle, strong string & 1/2 a brick attached - basically  wind brick up & down a few times every day - strengthens the muscles - it worked !
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Reply #22 on: February 21, 2018, 09:08:25 am
Update: Saw an orthopedic specialist over the past weekend regarding my problematic wrist wrist. As i suspected, the conditional pain was indeed due to the usage of front brakes on my 2014 B5  :(...the x-ray report came back as absolutely normal so some good news there. However, the doc did suggest that i do something to either cut down on the amount of riding or to make any needed modifications to reduce stress on the wrists. He suggested converting to a disc brake setup at the rear and some soft compound handle bar grips. Looked for softer (foam based) grips but didn't find any so will have to make a pair for myself. As per the rear brake conversion, i am not really sure if it is safe to do so and don't know the costs involved....so all is still not well  :(
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Reply #23 on: February 21, 2018, 11:26:16 am
Huh.  Front brake usage is the culprit?  Seems strange, but ok. 

On my 2011 B5, I could use the rear brake to lock up the rear wheel any time I wanted to, so maybe if your back brake isn't working as well as it should (could?), it would be worth some effort to get it up to snuff and save having to spend a bunch on a disc upgrade.

Is it possible to upgrade the front brake to a better, stronger system, so you can use less lever force for the same amount of stopping power?

There's a gazillion grips out there, plenty of thick foam ones... keep looking!  Also neoprene-type sleeves that go right on over your OEM grips.

What about some sort of throttle lock, or throttle assist (like the "crampbuster") to allow you to vary your wrist position while riding?


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Reply #24 on: February 21, 2018, 02:14:07 pm
Update: Saw an orthopedic specialist over the past weekend regarding my problematic wrist wrist. As i suspected, the conditional pain was indeed due to the usage of front brakes on my 2014 B5  :(...the x-ray report came back as absolutely normal so some good news there. However, the doc did suggest that i do something to either cut down on the amount of riding or to make any needed modifications to reduce stress on the wrists. He suggested converting to a disc brake setup at the rear and some soft compound handle bar grips. Looked for softer (foam based) grips but didn't find any so will have to make a pair for myself. As per the rear brake conversion, i am not really sure if it is safe to do so and don't know the costs involved....so all is still not well  :(

I like Grip Puppies foam slip-over covers.  I have also used Original Grip Buddies, which are a foam grip wrap that you do not have to slip over the existing grips, but wrap around the grips and are held in place with a rubber glue on the back and Velcro to hold the two ends together.  These are more expensive than the Grip Puppies but are a lot easier to install and you don't need to remove any device at the end of the bar, such as a set of bar-mount mirrors or handlebar brush deflectors to install them.
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Reply #25 on: February 21, 2018, 03:34:55 pm
   I had similar wrist/hand issues due to the small diameter of the stock grips. I have large hands, so I solved the problem with Kung Fu grips. I noticed a small reduction in the vibration in my hands at some speeds, too.

   https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-BILTWELL-MOTORCYCLE-GRIPS-1-KUNG-FU-BLACK-HARLEY-BOBBER-CRUISER-FREE-SHIP/162195737067?epid=182482881&hash=item25c39e89eb:g:zRAAAOSwdIFX0WWD:sc:USPSFirstClass!87120!US!-1&vxp=mtr

   I tried the Cramp Buster, but for me it was more a of a PITA than without, due to the overly large "tab" for the hand. Cutting it down to size helped some, but I never could get it positioned on the grip for the best comfort for me.
   I ordered up a Kuryakyn Cruise Assist and have been very pleased. Two 1200 mile round trips and very little ache by the end of each trip.

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Reply #26 on: February 21, 2018, 03:50:01 pm
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I had similar wrist/hand issues due to the small diameter of the stock grips.
Could you please tell me what was the pattern of your wrist pain? i face this pain only when i push down on my right wrist with my palm opened like when one is doing push ups on the ground. My pain is not constant. Were your symptoms the same or similar?
Unfortunately, good quality foam based grips are not available here in India :(...the ones on amazon.in look terribly built and have very bad customer reviews. I did look some up on Amazon US and found really good ones like Grip Puppies but they will cost me close to three times the cost with shipping. So may be i will try to source some foam material used for packaging and try my hand at customizing a pair of grips...a good DIY project.. ;D
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Reply #27 on: February 21, 2018, 04:15:53 pm
   Not quite the same. On longer rides I'd often have to open my hand to alleviate the numbness from the prolonged vibration, but then the pressure of leaning forward to keep solid contact with the throttle would bring on the pain.
   I'd not mentioned that I also got rid of the stock saddle and opted for the Lycette (and subsequently an even lower saddle) style so my feet would plant firmly on the ground when at rest. These changes eventually lowered my riding profile and helped reduce the pressure on my wrist while riding. I wasn't resting as much weight on the wrist as before.
   In other words, lowering the seat height reduced the pressure normally applied to my wrist. Instead of supporting my upper body, my wrist now mostly takes the pressure only of controlling the steering and brake. The reduced pressure in turn reduced the pinch of the nerve in my hand.
   Loosening and adjusting/rotating the brake lever assembly mount was necessary after the other changes to give better access to the lever.
   At my age comfort has become a priority.  ;)

   In summary, what worked for me was a combination of:
   a) reduction in seat height,
   b) the Throttle Assist, and
   c) the wider diameter (Kung Fu) grips.
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Reply #28 on: February 21, 2018, 08:19:42 pm
This has just reminded me to get in touch with Mr H tomorrow and enquire on some bars with a little more sweep back that are suitable for an EFI without changing the cables.


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Reply #29 on: February 22, 2018, 05:06:57 pm
I've liked the look of the Go Cruise throttle "lock"...

https://www.amazon.com/Go-Cruise-Motorcycle-Throttle-Control/dp/B00TIEATVY/ref=lp_8931447011_1_3?srs=8931447011&ie=UTF8&qid=1519319128&sr=8-3

... but to charge so much for a little piece of plastic - it doesn't even have any moving parts!  >:(