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on: November 06, 2017, 01:52:37 am
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Reply #1 on: November 06, 2017, 04:11:20 am
This should be awesome as long as RE stays true to the look of the Bullet. I assume they will if they designed this new engine to look old.

Price will be the next concern. If they push prices too high they'll be going up against the Street Twin and T100. Only brand loyalists will be in at that point.
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Reply #2 on: November 06, 2017, 10:07:58 am
Looking good! I would've preferred 750cc, but 650cc should be fine. Maybe a larger version later? Meanwhile a couple of things that jumped out at me from this first report, 4 valve head, and "oversized alternator". Both sound good and the engine looks beautiful.  Can't wait to see the standard upright position bike, hopefully tomorrow! 8)
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Reply #3 on: November 06, 2017, 10:14:59 am
I think we will see a price that is shockingly low to gain market penetration.
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Reply #4 on: November 06, 2017, 10:41:47 am
Converting 47ps I got 46.35hp, and 52nm is 38.35 ft lbs torque.  The torque curve is said to be "fat". Make of that what you will...

I like that the engine is said to be visually similar to the old RE twins. Should look great in the bikes!  :)
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Reply #5 on: November 06, 2017, 11:26:27 am
Gear driven primary
Valve clearance adjustment by screws
Horizontally split case...

Welcome to the late 1970s I guess.

The 47 HP might be a way to keep it good for Europe license restrictions or maybe they just couldn't wring more from it.
The head does look like the Interceptor

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Reply #6 on: November 06, 2017, 12:09:09 pm
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Me, I think it looks like somebody has sat on a BSA A65.......It looks a bit like the old Ducati 500cc parallel twin too. I'm afraid it won't take many sales from Triumph with an engine that small and a power output even lower than the l/c Triumphs. Kawasaki didn't. I really thought they'd produce a big butch 750cc like the Interceptor Mark II. That was a handsome engine and could have sold really well if it had come out 10 years earlier. Maybe the new RE looks better in the flesh. Should be at the NEC in two weeks. We'll see.
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Reply #7 on: November 06, 2017, 12:38:15 pm
I like it, lovely clean lines. Hopefully there wont' be hole load of fiddly crap hanging off of it like the newer Yamaha engines. If the roadster makes it to the UK, it's going on my new bike short list.
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Reply #8 on: November 06, 2017, 06:16:06 pm
  I like It.. good stuff I think.   I might wait after the first year model THIS time, and get the second year model.   Unlike the first year UCE I got ... ::)  Very Honda SOHC looking valve train... from the seventies.  Easy adjust valves.  Interesting, it appear's that the Con Rod has no small end bushing, and is a different alloy steel the UCE's as well ?    Or at least the earlier UCE's.   I have seen this same type Rod as a replacement part for the Original UCE Rod.....
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Reply #9 on: November 06, 2017, 07:51:07 pm
Proper looking motor fer sure, and it won't be long 'till the tuners & aftermarket
folks get to fiddlin' on the beasty. I'll be in for a RE 650 if the look is right. :)
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Reply #10 on: November 07, 2017, 06:28:13 am
I'm with Narada on this. I wanna see the whole bike. But that engine does look good, and I like the adjustable valves, too. :)

Also with GHG. I'll wait a year or two to see what shakes out on this. I hate being a guinea pig.  ;)



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Reply #11 on: November 07, 2017, 06:38:05 am
I think it will look good in a GT frame for sure.....


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Reply #12 on: November 07, 2017, 08:11:28 am
OMG!!! I WANT ONE!

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Reply #13 on: November 07, 2017, 10:01:23 am
Here's the link for Interceptor debut video;

https://royalenfield.com/motorcycles/twins/live/
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Reply #14 on: November 07, 2017, 11:55:16 am
Like the look of these. Interceptor for me please. Knew I should have took a ride down to Bruntingthorpe the other day. Got a day off coming up so going to ride out that way me thinks and see if I can get a look round. Weather better be good lol.

What's the difference between the two models if any?

I predict then a UK price point of £5999.99ish based around a £5199 that's marked on the official website for the 535 GT.

Also like main stand and removable sprocket cover. Will it mean I trade the Bullet in though? .......

*edit* ah, one café style the other more traditional. Got it.
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Reply #15 on: November 07, 2017, 12:15:56 pm
Oops, above link changed to RE twin page.  Great twin cyl. videos there!
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Reply #16 on: November 07, 2017, 12:35:19 pm
Did I forget to move something?
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Reply #17 on: November 07, 2017, 02:13:59 pm
No, the link I posted earlier went to the "live" twin debut video earlier, then it changed to 3 different new RE twin videos. It's all good though. Those videos were very enjoyable!
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Reply #18 on: November 07, 2017, 05:08:20 pm
This is the one I'm halfway through. Streamed 8 hours ago (GMT).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHoP3yZRDvw

I wonder what the main bike to have was in the 60's era? Enfield or Triumph?

*edit*

There's a lot of passion throughout the talk. And rightly so.
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Reply #19 on: November 07, 2017, 08:27:19 pm
48hrs ago all we had were grainy spy photos...
now the internet is awash with pics lol
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Reply #20 on: November 07, 2017, 10:23:52 pm
Thats a good shot.


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Reply #21 on: November 08, 2017, 08:15:05 am
Any US delivery dates yet?  Looks very promising as the GT frame and handling have been spectacular.  Only unknown is the new engine AND the ECU.  I waited one year to jump on board the C5 and went through fixing the entire high speed death wobble rigmarole with the rest of the early C5 crew 😳....got a GT off the first boatload to the US and promptly had to figure out kinked fuel lines and PCVs to fix random cold stalls. Will probably buy the Interceptor but am not inclined to waste my time and money on troubleshooting for RE......at least with Kevin and crew there was reliable support if needed. 🙂
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Reply #22 on: November 08, 2017, 08:19:19 am
Any US delivery dates yet?  Looks very promising as the GT frame and handling have been spectacular.  Only unknown is the new engine AND the ECU.  I waited one year to jump on board the C5 and went through fixing the entire high speed death wobble rigmarole with the rest of the early C5 crew 😳....got a GT off the first boatload to the US and promptly had to figure out kinked fuel lines. Will probably buy the Interceptor but am less inclined to waste my time and money on troubleshooting for RE......at least with Kevin and crew there was reliable support if needed. 🙂
I read something about March 2018 for Europe. Maybe  that means US too?


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Reply #23 on: November 08, 2017, 08:27:40 am
I saw similar April 2018 predictions for Europe.....maybe Kevin can fill us in on the US dates. Will call Marty to reserve one hopefully soon!
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Reply #24 on: November 08, 2017, 12:17:56 pm
I could've sworn I heard Sidartha say in the debut video that the twin would be available worldwide "through 2018".  I am hoping I heard right, and that what he meant was "during 2018".

Maybe wishful thinking but I'm putting a word in with my dealer today and saving up for the day...  :)
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Reply #25 on: November 08, 2017, 12:51:21 pm
Nice 1 minute "walk-around" video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKRTKaRHyO8
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Reply #26 on: November 08, 2017, 12:59:59 pm
A silver Interceptor would do me quite nicely!  8)
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Reply #27 on: November 08, 2017, 07:35:52 pm
I agree,silver is great! The Interceptor is beautiful,and I hope it is a winner.
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Reply #28 on: November 08, 2017, 08:48:56 pm
I also agree.  I like the silver tank too.  Just add a sump guard some duel sport tires and a sidecar.  That's what I'd like to have.  It would put a smile on my face.🙂

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Reply #29 on: November 09, 2017, 07:31:20 am
Finally!!, Though I tend to favor the Roadster, I am a little disappointed that they went the timing chain rather than pushrods. Probably more service/maint. friendly though.
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Reply #30 on: November 09, 2017, 09:15:25 am
I read something about March 2018 for Europe. Maybe  that means US too?

Maybe it’ll appear at the same time as the Himalayan in Europe & North America?  ;D

Or has that fiasco been shelved?

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Reply #31 on: November 09, 2017, 03:03:05 pm
why still keep the stupid oil level window instead of a dipstick? why has the Interceptor not got 'proper' footpegs?
And why is there no evidence of one actually running apart from the test bikes...oh yes no fuel......really!
Like the GT black and gold, hate all the other colours, bad choices (to modern for the look perhaps) on a good looking bike (IMO)
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Reply #32 on: November 09, 2017, 06:50:37 pm
Sure hope they make some of these in a classic style with chromed tank & mudguards. ;D

No matter the colors really, as these machines are a blank canvas for creating the beasty of one's own desire. A set of un-baffled Norton peashooter style mufflers would be my 1st mod on one along with an EJK fuel controller. 8)
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Reply #33 on: November 09, 2017, 07:16:12 pm
Absolutely Stoked! This bike looks great!!! It really looks likes the original interceptor! Love the orange interceptor and the blue GT (other colours not so sure and would love a chrome tank version). I am very much hoping that the price is right in Australia, particularly as triumph are discounting their speedtwins. I cant wait for the ride reports as am keen to test ride one! Only gripe is that I was hoping it would be 750 rather than a 650 but that's a minor gripe! I am sure with a set of pipes it will sound great and go well enough. If I want faster I will just ride my CBR. Great job RE!!!!!!!!!
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Reply #34 on: November 10, 2017, 04:15:28 pm
This article states that H-D, while only having 25 H-D dealers in India, owns the #1 spot in that nation’s 600cc-plus category. No wonder RE wanted to develop a 650 model. It looks like Indian riders are trading up in displacement:  http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/harley-davidson/2018-harley-davidson-sport-glide-first-ride-review.html
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Reply #35 on: November 17, 2017, 02:49:33 pm
Maybe it’ll appear at the same time as the Himalayan in Europe & North America?  ;D

Or has that fiasco been shelved?

John
I've heard rumor that the Himalayan price has been set around $4500, and they fixed the headlight issue.  So I would suspect the US release will be sooner than the twin....


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Reply #36 on: November 18, 2017, 08:33:56 am
We may get to see the 650 at a show before the US or Australia here in the UK (I'm going to the NEC next week - the bike show opens today and the 650 should be there), but Australia beat us to the Himalayan, which still isn't available as far as I know. I shall ask when both are planned to be at the dealers, or are they defined to be "vapourware" indefinitely.....
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Reply #37 on: November 18, 2017, 08:54:57 am
Sat on both today!

For me, the Interceptor is the most comfortable. For my legs to feel best 'in the tank' so to speak on the Continental, I had to sit back further but didn't feel bad on the wrists. Obviously test ride would be better.

Rattlebattle, they have the Himalayan at the show. For whatever reason, I forgot to try and sit on it. What an idiot.

I also didn't take as many pics as I thought I would. We all know what they look like so didn't think my photography skill would do no better than what we can see on the 'net already.

The Sea Nymph colour on the Continental is very nice. Better than the white. it looks like stickers on the tank for the white one. The black/red Interceptor had all the trick bits on it.

*edit*

Almost forgot.

Price.

When I asked, I was told well sub £6000 otr. The 535 is currently £5149 on the UK site. I'm thinking maybe £56-5700. ny the pic above, looks like quite a few accessories. The chap was also saying panniers will be available in the future. I'm guessing soft.

Filled out the form, local dealer will be in touch when demo is ready. Should be April/spring for UK though chap was more insistent on spring.
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Reply #38 on: November 18, 2017, 11:13:10 pm
That is great news on the pricing.  Around £6000 on the road is very appealing. There are some odd choices in the options list though. Why not have fork gators as standard?  Also, swing arm bobbins? Do these bikes not have a centre-stand?  Or maybe some exhaust options cut into the space where the centre stand would be.  The aluminium billet brake fluid lid sounds a bit faddish.  We are getting into Harley territory here.  What's next, a branded "Enfield' bandana for your dog?


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Reply #39 on: November 19, 2017, 05:55:16 am
David Blasco's blog shows a chrome tank Interceptor at the Long Beach show.



It also says that they will have center stands, and will never have kick starters.


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Reply #41 on: November 19, 2017, 11:29:01 am
I really, really like the chrome tank! 😉

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Reply #42 on: November 19, 2017, 12:46:19 pm
To me it's a shame they won't have a kickstart. Although I rarely use mine for starting the engine it is handy for freeing the clutch, especially if the bike hasn't been ridden for a while, and for servicing. And to me not having a centre stand IS bobbins ....
I shall ask whether or not there are any plans to produce a more powerful version. Also I'll ask about the EFI and whether or not it is a development of the system on the UCE singles, how one balances the throttles etc. I doubt I'll get any meaningful answers at the show but you never know....
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Reply #43 on: November 19, 2017, 01:46:56 pm
Dammit! I knew I should've wrote a checklist. I must admit, I was so looking forward to sitting on one that most things I was going to look for slipped my mind.

Rattlebattle, please check when you go lol. They have the engine complete with throttles on show and some cutaways so you can see the gears etc.


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Reply #44 on: November 19, 2017, 01:52:06 pm
If they don't do a chrome tank version...well... :'(
Just noticed the polished alloy headlamp brackets on the Blue GT above, so much nicer than the grey painted ones. A nice easy mod for the existing 535 GT too. :)
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Reply #46 on: November 19, 2017, 07:21:52 pm
Remember this bike is nowhere near production ready. Don't expect to see it anytime soon. On the upside as with all RE's it's introduction in Europe will help wring out some of the inevitable problems. It remains to be seen if RE has new behavior and will pay any attention to the problems and fix them. At the worst I think it will be better. 650 doesn't bother me at all. The cost to make a 750 versus a 650 is negligible at best and it is a strategic decision not a price issue. RE will never put out a "powerhouse" nor do they need to. As long as it is "fast enough" it will be fine.
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Reply #47 on: November 19, 2017, 07:25:25 pm
I would love to know if the chrome tank is a handmade one-off or not. I am struck by the quality of the underlying metalwork. The reflections in the tank are very true and not distorted. This requires perfect sheetmetal underneath the tank and is exceedingly difficult to manufacture. If they can actually produce that tank in that quality when the bike goes into production why would anyone order anything else?
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Reply #48 on: November 20, 2017, 01:23:25 am
The white GT......
My Red GT may become a trade in......
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Reply #49 on: November 20, 2017, 08:05:56 am
Not sure we’ll get it first; Australia did with the Himalayan, albeit a carb one. I wonder if they’ll do a home market one with Twin carbs. Now that would do
it for me, especially if there were a chrome tank version. I suspect not. Is it just me who worries about twice the aggro with two injector bodies to keep in synch (bearing in mind I put a carb on my C5)? I wonder if I could do the same with the 650? I doubt that I’ll be able to access the ECU to balance the throttles, clear faults, remap etc like I can and do with my Triumph. I won’t rush in and buy until I know how owners who want to do all their own maintenance get on.
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Reply #50 on: November 20, 2017, 02:50:03 pm
Given the low HP and what I am sure will be a killer price I would be shocked if it had two throttle bodies. Maybe someone that saw them at the IMS show can comment.
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Reply #51 on: November 20, 2017, 04:54:08 pm
Damn. Should have took photos of the display engine. There were definitely two butterfly valves per cylinder. Or do you mean one throttle supplying both intakes?


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Reply #52 on: November 20, 2017, 05:06:41 pm
I saw video of the motor. It appeared to me there is only one intake.

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Reply #53 on: November 20, 2017, 09:17:43 pm
I would love to know if the chrome tank is a handmade one-off or not. I am struck by the quality of the underlying metalwork. The reflections in the tank are very true and not distorted. This requires perfect sheetmetal underneath the tank and is exceedingly difficult to manufacture. If they can actually produce that tank in that quality when the bike goes into production why would anyone order anything else?

An average uk winter will reveal just how good the chrome is. It may be shiny and smooth, but is it a durable finish? That said, a bit of chrome on a tank looks great - perhaps a painted tank with chrome side panels?


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Reply #54 on: November 20, 2017, 09:58:13 pm
Given the low HP and what I am sure will be a killer price I would be shocked if it had two throttle bodies. Maybe someone that saw them at the IMS show can comment.

Kevin look at this video and check out the throttle bodies at the end of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqsl2iXzEdM&feature=youyu.be

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Reply #55 on: November 20, 2017, 10:04:46 pm
Thanks for the video, Bill.

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Reply #56 on: November 20, 2017, 10:09:44 pm
Steve, you're welcome.

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Reply #58 on: November 21, 2017, 05:17:57 am
Despite have two of them on my Triumph twin I prefer having a single throttle body with two (matched) injectors. Nothing to go out of balance or adjust.
I'm guessing the 'one heart two souls' ethos would preclude ever having a single intake option on what might be perceived as the 'lower performance' Continental model.


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Reply #59 on: November 21, 2017, 06:40:57 am
One throttle body can be very effective if the EFI intake system is designed correctly for it.


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Reply #60 on: November 21, 2017, 07:04:23 am
I prefer a single manifold; unless racing, the advantages of twin carbs/injector bodies isn't worth the aggro of keeping them perfectly in synch in my opinion. FWIW I meant separate injector bodies not dual injectors on each body. Would a single one work optimally with a 270 degree crank I wonder? I wonder also if new owners will have to shell out for replacement NGK spark plugs, new chains etc. I suppose really the question is just how much has quality improved, not only in assembly terms but also in the quality of ancillaries used? Time will tell. The bikes on display will be show ponies; what will the production bikes look like? It'll be great to read what new owners have to say.
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Reply #61 on: November 21, 2017, 07:17:07 am
Each cylinder needs it's own injector, regardless of the throttle body layout.


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Reply #62 on: November 21, 2017, 08:19:24 am
In addition to a chrome tank option, RE should install a chrome front fender option, as is on the original Interceptor that was on display at the show.   :)  I would rather polish chrome than wax a paint tank or fender.  ;)
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Reply #63 on: November 21, 2017, 09:19:56 am
Wheels need chrome too. Maybe even the back fender? ???
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Reply #64 on: November 21, 2017, 11:25:11 am
I'll be all over the Interceptor Chrome version when/if they arrive in my neck of the woods. My C5 needs a stablemate & one of these beauties is just the ticket. 8)
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Reply #65 on: November 21, 2017, 03:53:26 pm
Chrome / Maroon would be nice...  ::) or maybe Chrome / Orange?  :o
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Reply #67 on: November 22, 2017, 03:10:25 pm
I have a question for someone from RENA.

Is the 650 that is imported into the US going to have a full 7" headlight or is it going to have that dorky little 5 3/4" sealed beam light that is used on the Bullet singles?

Worded another way, does the headlight on the motorcycle meet DOT's adjustable light requirements?
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Reply #68 on: November 23, 2017, 04:46:51 pm
Well, today I saw the new 650 twins and, finally, a couple of Himalayans and also a C5 with cast alloy wheels. There was also a cutaway of the 650 motor. From this, close inspection of the bikes and questioning of a helpful RE (English) rep I gleaned the following: 1. The U.K. will get the first 650 bikes in June 2018. 2. The valve clearances are adjusted by adjuster and locknuts (ie the bike is intended to be home maintenance friendly. 3. Rep couldn’t confirm make of EFI. I had a look at it and the manifold is a single casting with an injector body on each side. The bores look quite small. 4. He told me that the price in the U.K. will be around £5,500 and (hurray!) there will be more powerful versions in due course. I think he’d got the message that actually it would be a really good bike with more oomph and that quite a lot of us were disappointed with the fact that it will only be A2 licence compliant at first ie 47bhp. 5. The U.K. would get them first - a lot of development happened here. 6. The reason for the delay in launching the Himalayan here is interesting. Apparently India has woken up to emissions control. They have introduced their standard B4 to replace B3 (similar to our Euro 3 and 4 but not the same. This led to the need to alter the production line to change the Bullet models to meet the new B4 standard - they are now EFI. That had to be attended to as a matter of priority so Himalayan production was curtailed, at least as far as the superior EFI one’s is concerned which is why Australia got the carb home market ones first. They had a white Himalayan kitted out with alloy panniers etc (think BMW GS), very nice too.
The general consensus of the people I spoke to was one of surprise at how good they looked in the metal (I have to say I think so too, but I’ll still wait for the more potent version). For me, apart from the (lack of) power issue I think they’ve nailed it. The bikes are physically smaller than the oversize Triumph twin like my Thruxton and are much more akin to the size of a sixties English twin. They appear to be of similar weight too. I preferred the cafe racer option to sit on though the single seat looks as daft as it does on the CGT; no doubt a dual seat would transform the looks and practicality. They also had an original Interceptor 2 and 250cc CGT. All-in-all I think they’ll sell by the boatload at that price. They do seem to be better made than the singles, though the Euro 4 ones are obviously the best yet. The rear disc brake looks good and the brake travel is a lot less. For practicality I’d like a cast wheel one.
There were a lot of bikes competing in this area such as Mash, Hero and other Chinese ones that are getting well-established in the UK. They are competitively priced and a quantum leap forward in quality to where they were only a few years ago. Anyone who rubbishes these Chinese makes would do well to remember what happened with the Jap bikes 50 odd years ago...
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Reply #69 on: November 23, 2017, 06:43:49 pm
Thanks for the update and input on these. I really got to get up close to one & get some seat time on 'er. Waitin' on the Vancouver show this spring to see what pops up. Fingers crossed. ;)

Hmmm, just checked around a bit and there is no RE representation on the major Canadian bike show circuit. Not a big shock, as our folks always get it up the arse when it comes to trade. We can't even get Yamaha SR400's new here! >:(
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Reply #70 on: November 24, 2017, 12:09:56 am
Well, today I saw the new 650 twins and, finally, a couple of Himalayans and also a C5 with cast alloy wheels. .... 1. The U.K. will get the first 650 bikes in June 2018. 2. The valve clearances are adjusted by adjuster and locknuts (ie the bike is intended to be home maintenance friendly.... 4. He told me that the price in the U.K. will be around £5,500 and (hurray!) there will be more powerful versions in due course. I think he’d got the message that actually it would be a really good bike with more oomph and that quite a lot of us were disappointed with the fact that it will only be A2 licence compliant at first ie 47bhp.

Lots of useful information in there, thanks. I just picked out three points to comment on.  At £5500 I think I am smitten. June 2018 will be a good time for someone looking for a good Enfield single from a dealer as I guess quite a few will be traded in for the twins.

I am surprised by the (backwards?) move to valve clearance adjustment by adjuster and locknuts. Yes, you can set these at home, but on the other hand, hydraulic tappets don't need set atall. Perhaps this was a manufacturing decision rather than a maintenance based one.

The A2 licence compliance power output is a canny move, as long as the bikes can be easily de-restricted to unleash their full potential.  These days 'retro' is very much still in vogue, and I can see an Enfield Twin being a desirable alternative to the (admittedly pretty good) range of Japanese 500cc machines.  On price the Interceptor will be battling against good bikes like the Honda CB500x at around £5750.


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Reply #71 on: November 24, 2017, 03:24:00 am
Don’t forget that the 650 engine is SOHC. I’m not aware of any SOHC or indeed DOHC bike engines that have hydraulic valve lifters, only OHV bikes. Given the low specific output of the engine locknut and screw adjustment is adequate and saves messing around with shims. Also, valve adjuster access looks superb once the tank is removed and that should be simple with a quick release fuel connector. It gets my vote. BTW I forgot to add that, unsurprisingly at that price point, it is not RBW. There are twin cables operating a pulley very like the UCE one on the throttle body. Unlike the Triumph the throttle body on each side is part of a single manifold with the TPS sitting on the lhs throttle body. Given the small size of the inlet tracts I would imagine it would be simple to produce a more powerful version by increasing the bore but I haven’t seen the cylinder head so don’t know whether larger valves are possible. I’m certainly impressed. These bikes are not hand assembled, there is a new state of the art production line that, I was told, greatly impressed Alan Cathcart, a well respect d racer and journalist. Good times ahead methinks. The quality of the Euro 4 models looks amazing compared to my 2015....
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Reply #72 on: November 24, 2017, 03:28:33 am
I think the C5 wheels were the ones H's sell. The alloy ones. They did set the black C5 off nicely.

Good info RB. I hope they sell by the boat load. They've got my details compass onto the local dealer when the demo is available. Also hope there'll be a fairly decent finance deal as that's the only way I think one will sit in my garage. And that'll be the silver Interceptor.

I think Royal Enfield should be pretty happy with the response and interest they got/are getting from the show.


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Reply #73 on: November 24, 2017, 05:40:11 am
Don’t forget that the 650 engine is SOHC.

Doh! I missed that. Yes, locknuts and adjusters are preferable to shims and buckets.


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Reply #74 on: November 24, 2017, 02:15:03 pm
Has anyone actually sat on one of these things?  It looks to me like the peg position is back too far, meaning your legs will be curled up under your arse!  I"m to old for that.  Move the pegs forward where they are on the C5....

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Reply #75 on: November 24, 2017, 06:00:27 pm
Yes. And I found personally the Interceptor the most (for me) comfortable.


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Reply #76 on: November 25, 2017, 03:48:28 am
You don’t go to a show without sitting on the bikes! I prefer the caff racer one; it’s similar to my Thruxton. Sitting upright on a naked severely limits the cruising speed - my C5 is awful above about 65mph..
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Reply #77 on: November 25, 2017, 05:25:35 am
Lots of useful information in there, thanks. I just picked out three points to comment on.  At £5500 I think I am smitten. June 2018 will be a good time for someone looking for a good Enfield single from a dealer as I guess quite a few will be traded in for the twins.

I'd be really surprised if they can sell the new twins at that price considering the 535GT retails in the UK at £5200.

They need to undercut the Bonneville and V7 by a substantial amount so hopefully I'll be proved wrong!

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Reply #78 on: November 25, 2017, 01:03:36 pm
You may well be right, but that’s what the man said, though that would be for whatever the cheaper if the two basic models will be and it won’t come at that price with the goodies on the show bikes. Also I reckon it’s only current thinking by RE. Who knows what the £ will be worth in June next year? FWIW I feel it will undercut the Street Cup ( the cheapest Triumph Twin). It’ll have to because the Triumph is nominally a 900 with more power ( though lower bhp/litre). Making the new Twin a 650cc is probably a wise move. The CGT is overpriced at £5200 IMHO; it’s ageing now and has even less oomph to haul around the heavy cycle parts, which were crying out for a better motor.
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Reply #79 on: November 25, 2017, 04:44:47 pm
The CGT is overpriced at £5200 IMHO;
Look what happened when the CGT was introduced the BULLET and Classic prices dropped by nearly £1000 in the UK. I think the same kind of thing will happen, the BULLET and Classic price will drop  slightly and the CGT will drop to current Bullet prices as the 650's become available.
Trouble is second hand values will drop as well so unless RE dealers do a good Part Ex deal, current owners may be stuck when wanting to sell thier singles to purchase a twin.
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Reply #80 on: November 25, 2017, 04:52:20 pm
Having owned a Honda Interceptor in the past I wonder if RE is going to have an issue with Honda about that name?   ???
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Reply #81 on: November 25, 2017, 06:36:06 pm
They will have the Himalayan and the 650s at the DC Motorcycle show....So I'll be checking them out..for sure


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Reply #82 on: November 25, 2017, 08:19:42 pm
Yes. And I found personally the Interceptor the most (for me) comfortable.
   

You don’t go to a show without sitting on the bikes! I prefer the caff racer one; it’s similar to my Thruxton. Sitting upright on a naked severely limits the cruising speed - my C5 is awful above about 65mph..

That may be OK for you youngsters, but at my age (80 is a memory) my knees do not appreciate being bent like a pretzel.

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Reply #83 on: November 25, 2017, 11:02:49 pm
Having owned a Honda Interceptor in the past I wonder if RE is going to have an issue with Honda about that name?   ???
I doubt if they will have a problem.

Royal Enfield was making the Interceptor in 1960 when Honda was just making small bikes like their 50cc motorcycles and dabbling with a 125cc twin and a 250cc four which they entered at the Isle of Mann.

Royal Enfield continued to make the Interceptor thru 1968 when they introduced the Series II Interceptor which they made thru 1970.

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Reply #84 on: November 26, 2017, 03:55:51 am
just found these pictures of the Interceptor and GT 650 Chrome...enjoy

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Reply #85 on: November 26, 2017, 05:24:51 am
I looked at and sat on both yesterday. Pleasantly  surprised at the overall fit and finish. The GT650 felt more comfortable than my GT535, I think due to a better bar position, slightly lower and more forward.
The Interceptor was really nice in the metal and for me a comfy fit. I'm 6'1" with 34" inside leg. I'd probably change a few bits and bobs, but that's part of the fun. Maybe paint some parts, polish others. The only thing that didn't feel was quite right are the thin foot pegs which are the same as the GTs, fine for a short fast blast. But not really up to all day comfort. I'd change those for some wider rubber covered jobs. Other than that nothing to suggest a good test ride wouldn't end in a purchase.
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Reply #86 on: November 26, 2017, 09:46:54 am
Well I wouldn’t exactly call myself a youngster (I am a pensioner) but I doubt octogenarians are the target market for these 650s...I already have to adapt to what is on sale. Few if any manufacturers provide the adjustability of controls that is the norm on cars; it’s just the way it is.
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Reply #87 on: November 26, 2017, 09:33:34 pm
   
That may be OK for you youngsters, but at my age (80 is a memory) my knees do not appreciate being bent like a pretzel.

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A dislike of the 'racing crouch' on a bike is not just an age thing - I am a mere stripling of 57 summers but  being bent near double, with so much weight on my wrists round town, and having to crane my neck backwards to see where I am heading, just seems like too much work. For me, Enfield's (even 650 twins) are not about terminal velocity. I have a huge respect for folk who can squeeze  an extra 30% power out of a UCE single, and doubtless the same wizardry will be brought to bear on the twins.  A decent turn of speed for safe overtaking and motorway riding, combined with a relaxed riding position will do me nicely.


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Reply #88 on: November 27, 2017, 07:30:24 am
And so it goes for me, too, even at 65 tender years. ;)

   I very much like the looks of the bike and if the overall quality is as improved as hoped for I'm of the opinion they did a wonderful job on both. The Interceptor is beautiful. Just wish I could get a REAL close look at it.
   Thanks to all who provided links and pics!

   That said, with a 30" inseam it would take more than a few mod(s) for me to get comfortable on it.  :-\

   Moot anyway, I guess. The sidecar should be arriving sometime this week, so I'll be occupied with another project anyway.  ;D
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Reply #89 on: November 27, 2017, 10:46:58 am
I'm actually older than you, Heloego, though only a little. I have relatively long arms (no, I'm not an orangutang) :) so I find the riding position on the caff racer quite comfortable. It's very similar to my Thruxton, on which I've done a couple of 300 mile days without discomfort, though that is the later version with "M" bars rather than clip-ons. I guess it's down to physique as much as anything. What I would say is that the Thruxton is comfortable at an 80mph cruise. The Bonneville I tried wasn't because it lacked the small but effective screen and had a more upright stance. I find the cruising speed of my C5 is limited in part by the wind pressure, although I try not to thrash it anyway. I shall be looking to replace the Thruxton in a few years and I am therefore interested in a lighter twin like the RE. Although it produces more bhp/litre than the current 900 Triumphs it is way short of my older air-cooled type. If RE were to produce a version with, say, 55-60 bhp I'd be interested, even more so if it were a 360 degree twin (though that is unlikely I guess). For now I'll stick with my C5. It's a shame when the original Interceptor Mk 2 was such a powerful beast (though of course by the time that was launched big English twins were history anyway as far as performance was concerned, apart from the Commando if being charitable). I really don't understand RE's strategy unless they don't care about export markets and what people want.
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Reply #90 on: November 27, 2017, 01:06:36 pm
The export market is really only a small segment of the overall RE sales, so they probably don't place us as a priority. It will be interesting to discover just how many of the 650cc units sell in the home market.

   At this time I'm perfectly happy with the C5 for 50% of my riding, and the Electra for around town blasts, thought once I received and install the sidecar (any day now  ;D ) the C5 will be relegated to a bit more conservative (read "slower") riding with the missus, and the Electra for my solo adventures.

   As for the 650 I think I'll not get one of the new crop. Maybe later I'll find an original for a good price. After upgrading the Electra I find I like the energizing response of a good carb.  :)
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Reply #91 on: November 27, 2017, 10:28:31 pm
There seems to be a shortage of decent windscreens these days. The Avon model available from hitchcocks looks very efficient, but is huge. Givi screens tend to only have two mount points, and wobble about in an alarming way.  I have an old 'hand-me-down' screen from one of my brothers.  I think it is from the mid 80's but not sure.  It started with 2 handlebar mounts, but I fashioned another 2 from old wing mirror fittings. The result is rock solid, offers protection from wind and rain, and seems to be streamlined enough to improve performance. The only downside is that some mechanical noise is reflected back - but hey - its an Enfield, and the soundtrack of the engine is part of the experience.



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Reply #92 on: December 02, 2017, 07:44:47 pm
  Got a chance to see  both new twins at the NYC show today.  And I'l tell ya.... I was VERY impressed !   NICE !  Very well done with the both of them.  Fit and finish I think are excellent.   I want one of those Chrome Interceptors NOW instead of waiting for them to work the kinks out!  LOL !    But... they are claiming they won't be here until the second Half of next year.  ::)   Under 7 grand for the price here they claim as well.  It's a steal I think at that price .   I paid 7 grand out the door for my C-5 back in 09'.


   Also got to see the Himalayan in the flesh as well for the first time.... I like that one too !    Fit and finish and quality look to be just as good as the new twin's,  anyway.    BIT under powered t for the states I think... more then a bit  !   But it is also a steal at around 4500 bucks.  But that bike would do well with the UCE motor in it I think.
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Reply #93 on: December 03, 2017, 04:25:59 am
[quote author=gashousegorilla link=topic=25664.msg296541#msg296541 dat


   Also got to see the Himalayan in the flesh as well for the first time.... I like that one too !    Fit and finish and quality look to be just as good as the new twin's,  anyway.    BIT under powered t for the states I think... more then a bit  !   But it is also a steal at around 4500 bucks.  But that bike would do well with the UCE motor in it I think.
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I rode with a group of UCE 500's and a Himalayan ( carburetor model) , the Himalayan was faster then the 500's out on the highway and pulled away from us on the hills .
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Reply #94 on: December 03, 2017, 12:32:04 pm
  Interesting, that is good to know.  Thanks Jako.   
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Reply #95 on: December 04, 2017, 07:48:26 am
I thought that the Euro IV spec Himalayans  looked a lot better in the flesh, especially the white ones. It doesn’t surprise me that they’ll keep up with a UCE. The engine is ohc and relatively powerful for its capacity. I like them. The panniers look useful too. I believe it’ll be competitive in the U.K. against others in the current wave of small capacity GS type bikes as long as the quality is ok, which it now should be.
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Reply #96 on: December 04, 2017, 04:33:18 pm
Without wanting to turn this into a Himalayan thread (time for a new section?), I'm planning on going to the open day RE have at selected dealers on the 16th in the UK. At £4199 + on the road cost that beats the Suzuki 250 by £4-500. So a pretty cheap adv bike. I just got an insurance quote just to see where it stood and that's pretty cheap too.

I'd like to test ride when a demo's available.


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Reply #97 on: December 05, 2017, 05:21:10 am
Wondering what 47 bhp feels like, I dug out my old workshop manual for the 1969 Triumph 650 Trophy I had many decades ago. Lo and behold, 47bhp. Then I checked the specs on the 1973 Triumph 750 Tiger I also had. Also stated as 47bhp. Well, they were powerful enough. But I was a lot lighter then too.


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Reply #98 on: December 05, 2017, 10:05:23 am
How does the weight of the RE compare to those bikes, I wonder? They went well enough though wouldn't stand full throttle for miles on end, certainly my T140 wouldn't - fast or far, but not both....
The other things I've learned from the Bike article and associated pictures is that the fuel filter is the more normal spin-on cartridge and is located at the front (should make filter changes easy) and that with its short stroke and relatively low revs for a four valve head ohc engine, mean piston speed is low (17m/sec) and well within the maximum. I reckon with lumpier cams, higher compression pistons - only 9.5:1 as standard - and biiger inlets there'd be a pokey engine. The steering geometry is sharper than the Triumph 900 bikes and the 650 weighs less and produces more bhp/litre. I'll definitely have a test ride on one, though I'll try a Himalayan too. The 650 was designed in the UK, which probably gives it the edge on the Himalayan for me, but who knows?
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Reply #99 on: December 05, 2017, 10:07:29 pm
How does the weight of the RE compare to those bikes, I wonder? They went well enough though wouldn't stand full throttle for miles on end, certainly my T140 wouldn't - fast or far, but not both....

A mechanic pal of mine used to say of our old british bikes - you can have any two of 'fast', 'reliable' and 'far', but not all three. To get all three you needed to buy a Japanese machine.

The Himalayan is starting to sound more appealing, especially if quality control is sorted out. To be nippier than a UCE Enfield it must be a heck of a lot lighter. 


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Reply #100 on: December 06, 2017, 02:44:51 am
A mechanic pal of mine used to say of our old british bikes - you can have any two of 'fast', 'reliable' and 'far', but not all three. To get all three you needed to buy a Japanese machine.

The Himalayan is starting to sound more appealing, especially if quality control is sorted out. To be nippier than a UCE Enfield it must be a heck of a lot lighter.
Google search says the Himalayan is 191kg.


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Reply #101 on: December 06, 2017, 06:44:26 pm
Google search says the Himalayan is 191kg.

Interesting, the UK Royal Enfield site gives the B5 or C5  bullet's kerb weight as 195kg, and the Himalayan's as 185kg. Kerb weight is defined as 90% fuel and oil.


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Reply #102 on: December 06, 2017, 06:56:05 pm
....this makes the Himalayan 5% lighter, but 9% down on power - 27.2hp for the Bullet vs 24.5hp for the Himalayan.


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Reply #103 on: December 10, 2017, 06:20:52 pm
I apologize if this has already been discussed. (I think it probably has.)
Does anyone have an idea about top end for the 650?
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Reply #104 on: December 10, 2017, 06:37:12 pm
I apologize if this has already been discussed. (I think it probably has.)
Does anyone have an idea about top end for the 650?
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I have read claims that it will top the ton. It should be capable of anywhere between 100-110 mph.
The old Interceptor  Mk1a has a road rest on the Internet from 1966, and it managed 105 mph, even though they advertised 115.


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Reply #105 on: December 10, 2017, 07:22:46 pm
I got a close look at both 650s at IMS Minneapolis this weekend.  RE had a prominent display with 8-9 bikes including a couple of Himalayans, several C5s, B5, and a white 650 GT and chrome interceptor.

Fit and finish looks good...better than a GT535.  Engine looks nice especially from the left but they could have made the crankcase cover on the right a bit less bloated looking.  Oil cooler and horns are tucked in nicely under the tank.  Fuel injectors and wiring are also hidden away nicely.  Rear brake fluid container looks a bit vulnerable.  Oil filter is between the front down tubes and should be really easy to replace.  The left footrest and direct gear shifter for the GT look great, but the Interceptor looks like a hack job with several linkage bits and levers used to get the shifter to a forward position.....I predict shifting will be more precise on the GT. Speedo numbers were printed white on black on these prototypes and they will hopefully not show up with the illegible grey on black mph that the newer GTs got for the US.

Congratulations to our “design team” on this forum as well......many of the improvements were precisely what the folks on this forum had been doing for mods and fixes to our bikes.  Someone from RE has been paying attention  :)

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Reply #106 on: December 10, 2017, 07:32:29 pm

I have read claims that it will top the ton. It should be capable of anywhere between 100-110 mph.
The old Interceptor  Mk1a has a road rest on the Internet from 1966, and it managed 105 mph, even though they advertised 115.

Having 6 gears will definitely help. Then when Dynojet comes out with a Power Commander for it.....:)
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Reply #107 on: December 11, 2017, 09:34:11 am
I'd be surprised if it didn't top the ton. It has similar power to the old Bonnevilles and they certainly did, usually leaving a trail of bits that had fallen off. Bike reckons that the steering geometry should lead to less rider input to turn than on Hinckley twins. In common with other manufacturers attempts to dumb down riding skills it also has clutch assist - a sort of anti-stall device. I suppose Hipsters are more concerned with their reflection in shop windows than learning how to use the clutch properly....
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Reply #108 on: December 11, 2017, 05:19:14 pm
As a kind of hipster (sort of) as I live in a city, don't want a family and have longish hair (but no beard and nearly 47 years old), I wonder why you all are so down on hipsters. They like beer and bikes. I struggle to find that bad, although I search for mainstream rather than craft beer. Some even like Royal Enfields. The guys I know that have motorbikes are into maintaining, learning about and riding them (no different from you when young). Some even modify them! I wonder what term your Dads' used to describe you when you were young and making choppers etc.  Just hoping you to have a laugh at this post and consider buying that uber cool 650 intercepter.
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Reply #109 on: December 11, 2017, 11:36:05 pm
Good for you Warwick.  I like just about any body that likes motorcycles and respects others who ride, whatever it maybe.

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Reply #110 on: December 13, 2017, 07:17:02 pm
As a kind of hipster (sort of) as I live in a city, don't want a family and have longish hair (but no beard and nearly 47 years old), I wonder why you all are so down on hipsters. They like beer and bikes. I struggle to find that bad, although I search for mainstream rather than craft beer. Some even like Royal Enfields. The guys I know that have motorbikes are into maintaining, learning about and riding them (no different from you when young). Some even modify them! I wonder what term your Dads' used to describe you when you were young and making choppers etc.  Just hoping you to have a laugh at this post and consider buying that uber cool 650 intercepter.
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Reply #111 on: December 13, 2017, 09:24:20 pm
I think that to be a genuine hipster you have to have a beard that is precisely 3 days old, probably a flannel shirt (pressed) and boots.

I think "hipsters" are a mythical beast. You have to understand that much of the hype about them being the core customer for RE comes out of India. Many of the RE riders there refer to themselves as "hipsters" as does the marketing dept. There is a large disconnect between what works in India and what works here. A little like the reason the CGT was a dismal failure in India. There never was a "cafe" culture there and all of the advertising dollars and wishful thinking didn't make it so.

My observation from many years of selling RE's and then watching customers in current dealerships says that the RE customer in the US is as eclectic as ever and young, middle aged and older folks are buying them. The younger folks have only come aboard though in the past 5-6 years and is a great sign.

Harley is starting to swirl around the drain for lack of younger customers in a motorcycle market that is already contracting faster than you can say Matt Lauer.
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Reply #112 on: December 14, 2017, 07:58:26 am
I suppose in these days of the snowflake generation who need safe spaces to avoid having to hear nasty people say something different to the norm we more elderly riders are denied the privilege of being critical of the younger generation. FWIW I had long hair as a youth and was termed a greaser, essentially what followed rockers. We didn’t get on well with skinheads, who replaced the mods. ‘‘Twas ever thus.
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Reply #113 on: December 14, 2017, 12:33:22 pm
It seems like each generation does complain about the generation behind them. As an employer and businessman for decades I would disagree with that assessment. Most of my peers complain about not being able to find young people who want to "work". I think that has always been true regardless of the generation. It is no better or no worse than it ever was. On the same note there are many young people who want to work hard, excel, grow, keep learning, take on responsibility etc. As an employer it is also your job to nurture those folks.

I have also found that if someone looks like they fell face first into a fishing tackle box, has long hair, short hair etc. it doesn't matter as a predictor of being a decent employee. (I do draw the line at facial tattoos).

The young folks that are the idiots that demand "safe spaces", want to stifle free speech etc. it too shall pass. It won't be long till they are grinding it out like the rest of us. No different from the Jane Fondas etc. of my generation. One can only hope that unlike Jane Fonda you don't do something terribly foolish while you're young that will follow you the rest of your life.

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Reply #114 on: December 14, 2017, 05:25:45 pm
Who needs tattoos when you can have ‘get off’ bruises?!
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Reply #115 on: December 15, 2017, 11:31:47 am
As an oldie I just want my turn at moaning about the younger generation, that’s all ;) Seriously, I try hard not to judge by appearances. There are plenty of clever young people just as there are lots of silly old bigots...and up-to-date clever ones. There’s no harm in taking the mickey as long as no offence is intended or taken.
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Reply #116 on: December 17, 2017, 11:30:33 am
Good news...chrome has been added to the colour schemes for Interceptor and GT on the RE site. :D
Chrome Interceptor for me please! 8)
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Reply #117 on: December 17, 2017, 01:48:33 pm
Good news...chrome has been added to the colour schemes for Interceptor and GT on the RE site. :D

That may be the best news I've heard yet today! Thank you!


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Reply #118 on: December 18, 2017, 05:31:12 pm
I don't think there is another choice
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Reply #119 on: December 18, 2017, 08:19:24 pm
I like the chrome too! 😎

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Reply #120 on: December 19, 2017, 09:47:37 am
It seems like each generation does complain about the generation behind them. As an employer and businessman for decades I would disagree with that assessment. Most of my peers complain about not being able to find young people who want to "work". I think that has always been true regardless of the generation. It is no better or no worse than it ever was. On the same note there are many young people who want to work hard, excel, grow, keep learning, take on responsibility etc. As an employer it is also your job to nurture those folks.

I have also found that if someone looks like they fell face first into a fishing tackle box, has long hair, short hair etc. it doesn't matter as a predictor of being a decent employee. (I do draw the line at facial tattoos).

The young folks that are the idiots that demand "safe spaces", want to stifle free speech etc. it too shall pass. It won't be long till they are grinding it out like the rest of us. No different from the Jane Fondas etc. of my generation. One can only hope that unlike Jane Fonda you don't do something terribly foolish while you're young that will follow you the rest of your life.

Sometimes I wish this was all on Facebook so I could give a "Like".  Well put Kevin.  :)
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Reply #121 on: January 02, 2018, 09:14:39 am
Couldn't agree more with Kevin, in my years as a professional photographer, as head of dept & then my own business, as long as they looked respectable and good manners with clients that was No1. Now having been a photography lecturer for seventeen years I am amazed at the quality of the "Young" we get through our hands - Bloody Good and great attitude from 70% (with the other 30% dropping out after a semester when they realise it's not just "shooting") and I have more issues with mature students who's attitude of "close enough is good enough" usually ends up with a fail from me ! Now on the "Hipsters" we have lots here in Australia, but not that many relating to bikes - more the clothes, beard, haircut etc......litle (or BIG) clones of each other - just as we had in the 60's, 70's, 80's etc.... but having just returned from Taipei I did snigger when I saw "Hipster" on a Chinese 185cc single chopper style bike, a real talent for just taking a trendy word and putting it on ANYTHING  ;D


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Reply #122 on: January 25, 2018, 06:22:35 pm
With all the centuries of collected motorcycle wisdom on this forum, I can't be the first person to realize this bike only looks odd because the primary is on the wrong side.
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Reply #123 on: March 20, 2018, 05:20:42 pm
Seemed a good as a place as any to say I'm going for a second look.

The twins will be at a local Kawasaki event on Friday with the release of the 900RS and HX2.

Could be time to book that Himalayan test ride whilst I'm there but that's a different story.



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Reply #124 on: March 22, 2018, 06:50:08 am
With all the centuries of collected motorcycle wisdom on this forum, I can't be the first person to realize this bike only looks odd because the primary is on the wrong side.
I think it has been mentioned  before.
It's just one of the things that have been noticed. 


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Reply #125 on: March 23, 2018, 05:34:18 pm
I have to say, the seat felt a lot harder than I remember from back in November.

I can't remember how my feet felt on the floor now and it was only 3 hours ago lol.

Ergonomically felt nice though.

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didn't ask the price but overheard uk price of £6000.
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