[KD5ITM]

Went to the dealer and bought a filter kit. This time the kit came with zero Rings or copper washers. Is this the new Norm? And of course the guy at the service counter had the deer-in-the-headlights look when I asked him about the O-rings. I sure hate to have to reuse my old o'rings.

[Enfield Pro]

Here is a kit with everything you need:

Oil Change Kit

[Arizoni]

KD
I don't think you have much to worry about when it comes to reusing your O-rings.

Unless they are damaged, they can be reused many times.  Usually, any damage will be done when the component is installed.  Removal of a O-ring sealed component rarely happens.
I guess I should add, never try to remove a O-ring if you plan on reusing it.
Trying to get the things off is the other thing that can damage them.

Not that my experience means much but I changed oil and my oil filter 8 times without replacing the O-rings and they were still sealing fine.
I finally did replace them during the last oil change but my reason for doing this is because I had so many new ones laying around I figured I should use some of them up. 

[KD5ITM]

Here is a kit with everything you need:

Oil Change Kit

25 bucks? I pay Under 12 for mine with all the old rings

[Farmer_John]

25 bucks? I pay Under 12 for mine with all the old rings

Old Chinese (?) proverb; you get what you deserve...

[gizzo]

I dunno....ive paid $12 and $25 and in between. I think theyjustmake up a price on the spot. in any case even at $25 its not going to mean im on survival rations so I just get on with it.

[KD5ITM]

I pay Under 12 for my kits in the past with all the O-rings and even some extra bits not needed. Some consistency from Royal Enfield would be nice. If there's o rings associated with changing the filter then they need to be consistent and put everything in the kit that is needed. Just common sense I would think.

[Richard230]

$25 for an oil filter seems pretty high to me, even compared with similar filter kits sold by BMW for the older "air heads" and is about twice what BMW spin-on filters are sold for. 
There has got to be a huge markup on that filter kit. 

[Jellyroll]

KD, the extra o-rings are for the older 500s and maybe the classic 500(?) Yep, the 5-pack is the most reasonably priced. Now, if this is an old school bike properly broken in and running clean, and isn't just dogged to the point that dirty oil is the usual thing, there is no reason why giving it an oil change without changing the filter can be safely accomplished. I've been keeping close eyeballs to the oil, and with the last filter changes I'm impressed-I backflushed the filters and gotten very minimal 'crapola' out of the paper. Granted the bike only has 3100 miles on it, but I've seen worse out of scooters more gingerly used. The oil/filter change was done on this bike every 300 miles until the last one at 2400 miles. Now the target mileage is going to be every 2100 miles for oil/filter with an oil change at 1000-1100 mile intervals. Of course, driving conditions vary, and the intervals will as well.

[mazdqr]

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Old Chinese (?) proverb; you get what you deserve...

Well if you go by that proverb every time you make a purchase decision then it leads to the false assumption that high priced products always translate to high quality. I think the reputation of the seller or manufacturer is more important.

[KD5ITM]

KD, the extra o-rings are for the older 500s and maybe the classic 500(?) Yep, the 5-pack is the most reasonably priced. Now, if this is an old school bike properly broken in and running clean, and isn't just dogged to the point that dirty oil is the usual thing, there is no reason why giving it an oil change without changing the filter can be safely accomplished. I've been keeping close eyeballs to the oil, and with the last filter changes I'm impressed-I backflushed the filters and gotten very minimal 'crapola' out of the paper. Granted the bike only has 3100 miles on it, but I've seen worse out of scooters more gingerly used. The oil/filter change was done on this bike every 300 miles until the last one at 2400 miles. Now the target mileage is going to be every 2100 miles for oil/filter with an oil change at 1000-1100 mile intervals. Of course, driving conditions vary, and the intervals will as well.

Why would you change the oil without changing the filter? Why go 90% of the way. If you're going to go as far as a change the oil why wouldn't you change the filter. And anyways, it doesn't matter how clean the bike is and how easily it's been written, oil still gets dirty and therefore the filter gets dirty. And living in Houston where it's 95 plus degrees 4 to 5 months out of the Year, doesn't help the oil. In a pinch, if I was on the side of the road and had to change the oil, and all I had was a can of carb cleaner, of course I would spray the filter clean. But sitting in my garage I prefer to do the whole job completely.

[Richard230]

On all of my motorcycles and my car, I change the oil filter during every other oil change and have never had a problem.  But then I do tend to change my oil twice as often as the vehicle manufacturer recommends. So I guess it all works out. 

[Narada]

I know I am stating the obvious but.. $25.00 is 1/4 of $100.00.  I think twice before I pay $25.00 for anything. It all adds up.   I wonder what the manufacturing cost is, or how long it takes for a machine to spit out one filter? 

[gashousegorilla]

  Come on now ? ....  25 bucks for a UCE filter is just nuckin' futs.    That's just gouging.   I prefer to buy local but come on ?  There is a great big internet out there and people ain't stupid.

[longstrokeclassic]

Hitchcocks lean burn oil filters are 6 for £20 (plus vat where applicable @20%) which is fine if you don't have to add postage on top.

[Jako]

I would run mine without a filter at all before I'd  pay $25 for these filters.  But we don't pay $25 here.

[KD5ITM]

On all of my motorcycles and my car, I change the oil filter during every other oil change and have never had a problem.  But then I do tend to change my oil twice as often as the vehicle manufacturer recommends. So I guess it all works out. 

I change my oil in my vehicle and my Continental GT every 2000 miles. And that's with the filter change. My personal experience as a mechanic questions why anybody would change oil without changing the filter.

[KD5ITM]

Like I said earlier in the post, I've always paid right around tick Under 12 bucks for a filter at the dealer with all of the o rings. This is the first time I've gotten a filter kit which included just a filter, not much of a kit if you ask me. Still paid the same price. When I asked about the O-rings I already figured the obvious, of course I got the deer in the headlight look and the guy behind the parts counter said let me find the Royal Enfield parts book which took him about five minutes to locate and then he could never find where the filter kits were and then he tried looking online and still couldn't find it. I've said this many times before, when it comes to Royal Enfield, my dealer is a bit Clueless. They're all nice and friendly but not very Savvy when it comes to warranty service or safety inspection or even buying parts. I'm sure you've guys have all heard my story about the service tech not knowing how to turn on the headlight switch when doing a safety inspection but that's a different story

[Richard230]

Like I said earlier in the post, I've always paid right around tick Under 12 bucks for a filter at the dealer with all of the o rings. This is the first time I've gotten a filter kit which included just a filter, not much of a kit if you ask me. Still paid the same price. When I asked about the O-rings I already figured the obvious, of course I got the deer in the headlight look and the guy behind the parts counter said let me find the Royal Enfield parts book which took him about five minutes to locate and then he could never find where the filter kits were and then he tried looking online and still couldn't find it. I've said this many times before, when it comes to Royal Enfield, my dealer is a bit Clueless. They're all nice and friendly but not very Savvy when it comes to warranty service or safety inspection or even buying parts. I'm sure you've guys have all heard my story about the service tech not knowing how to turn on the headlight switch when doing a safety inspection but that's a different story

I had the exact same experience when I asked my RE dealer to buy an oil filter kit for the first time.  I even got the same price quote for just a filter and they also knew nothing about O-rings or gaskets.  Not long after that experience the entire shop closed down.   

[KD5ITM]

My local dealer is a Polaris, Suzuki, Victory, Triumph and Royal Enfield dealer. Looking at their showroom, they'll have a dozen Triumph sitting on the floor but when you look at the Enfields, they have maybe two or three. I think they picked up the Royal Enfield line just to get that little niche market but never really took the time to learn about the brand properly. When I bought my GT back in October of 2015 they said that they sell about 2 GT's a month. Well I do know that I went there three months ago and then again last month and the one and only GT they had on the showroom was the same one both times. And if they sell 2 a month, even in Houston you think you would run across another one once in a while, I have only seen one other GT and that was about 2 months ago when me and a few friends were out training for a triathlon. Either way, I still like my GT and it's very rare when I go somewhere and don't get questioned about it. Just wish the dealer had a bit more support for the brand and wasn't 50 miles away on the other side of town. I do know the few times I've stopped in at the Harley dealer just up the freeway, hey everybody comes out of the store to take a look and compare how it's got better brakes or better shocks then some of the Harley's LOL