[Otto_Ing]

I've been contacted by Oran who apparently has for some reason difficulties joining this forum with the kind request to post his wiring question. So here it is.

https://youtu.be/3zAEvtPyo9Q

[Oranator]

TEST...

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[grumbern]

So it worked. Welcome!
Andreas

P.S.:You got mail.

[Oranator]

Hi,

I thought I should introduce myself.
My name is Oran and I live in Oceanside California, I have an Enfield Indian that I have recently pulled out of storage. I started looking for information an ran across this forum and more specifically grumbern's rebuild thread and his wiring question thread.
That was an eureka moment for me...... "That's it!! That's my bike!!" info on these bikes I find is rare and not very clear.

I also have a few other bikes and joined a Indian motorcycle forum for new Indians looking for people local to ride with, I wrote an introduction on that site and I will post a link, if you have a half hour to kill it's a good story on my bikes and my experience as well as my motivation to pull this Enfield Indian out of it's 50+ years of storage.

Oran from Oceanside
http://www.indianmotorcycles.net/threads/oran-from-oceanside-ca.86465/

I look forward to helping grumbern with his build and maybe learn a thing or two from you all here.

Oranator

[grumbern]

Hi Oran, pretty sure you already saw this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i340NHl9448[/youtube]


It might just be the most authentic 1959 Chief on the net that you might run across
As I already wronte, your's is still a little different with the triangular toolbox, that was only fitted to the very first series of Enfield Chiefs in 1958. According to my list your's is No. 251, mine is No. 307.

There are some inaccuracies, like the smaller tank that might be off a Trailblazer as well as the magneto ingnition and the head steady, the Chief should have two plates like the Interceptor. Maybe there was a mixup between a Trailblazer and the Chief? Maybe Tank and frame got replaced? To be sure, you might ask Graham Scarth from the REOC. he can check for the correctness of frame and engine numbers and maybe tell you a little about the bikes history (the part you don't already know).
So long,
Andreas

[Oranator]

Here are some pictures of my battery, unfortunately it's also 193mm.


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[Oranator]

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[Oranator]

I haven't quite got the hang of posting pictures in this forums format.

a crack in my battery.

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[Oranator]

Hi Oran, pretty sure you already saw this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i340NHl9448[/youtube]


It might just be the most authentic 1959 Chief on the net that you might run across
As I already wronte, your's is still a little different with the triangular toolbox, that was only fitted to the very first series of Enfield Chiefs in 1958. According to my list your's is No. 251, mine is No. 307.

There are some inaccuracies, like the smaller tank that might be off a Trailblazer as well as the magneto ingnition and the head steady, the Chief should have two plates like the Interceptor. Maybe there was a mixup between a Trailblazer and the Chief? Maybe Tank and frame got replaced? To be sure, you might ask Graham Scarth from the REOC. he can check for the correctness of frame and engine numbers and maybe tell you a little about the bikes history (the part you don't already know).
So long,
Andreas

Thanks for the input, I think the tank is the 4.4.
The paperwork I have does not match the bike, different vin#
I did contact Graham and he told me that the frame and engine numbers are the correct pairing for a chief that left the factory in January of 1959 and the gearbox was from a 1957 trail blazer.
What do you mean about the 2 plates like the interceptor?
Could you email me some of the paperwork you have like the list you mentioned?
What was that rubber you used to mount your speedo?

Oranator

[Oranator]

Got to spend a little quality time with my son today.
Wiring harness removed and documented.
Seat removed and inspected,I think I can salvage it.

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[grumbern]

Hi Oran,
as you can see here:




The Chief is supposed to have these two angeled plates bolted to the heads and frame. Your frame does not have the fitting for that, so if Graham says the frame is right, I guess they changed it for later machines and your's still has that fixing stud to the back,like the trailblazer does.

Here you can find the chart with engine numbers and gearbox prefixes sorted by models an years:

http://www.ozemate.com/interceptor/k_baseIndian1.htm


I used some sort of rubber used for cars and such. It is called "note profile" in German and available in different sizes and materials. The speedo is strapped down against the rubber using two springs and pieces of pipe. Your's is in perfect shape by the way. You are lucky, for these are very rare and sell in a 4 digit region

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Keder-Kederprofil-Dichtungsprofil-Notenprofil-Gummi-31-11mm-/320935784175?hash=item4ab9436eef:m:mqtJcQLMO2DZ4dEHyd945Iw

The harnesses look quite different and I can not see which one was correct. The one below seems to be the later version with the rectifier lcated in front of the engine (like I need), than the other one might be for the 1958 version with triangular toolbox and rectifiert mounted to the battery tray.
The lower one seems to have lost it's rear section though?!
Hope that helped a little.
Andreas

[Adrian II]

If you look the though on-line parts books on the Hitchcocks' web site for the late 1950's/early 1960s twins you will see that that twin plate head-steady and the extra lug on the frame top tube appeared around 1959/60. Sorry I can't remember exactly when, but that would suggest the last Indian-badged twins would have had the same.

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[grumbern]

Yes, it seems the Chief was built right at the "edge" and early ones had the simple "strap" and the later the more rigid plates. Oran's bike is just 56 numbers before mine, so a lot seems to have happend just about that time.

Andreas

[Oranator]

Andreas,

Do you still want one of these wiring harnesses, email me your address?
What documentation do you have? I would like to get copies, maybe you could put it on a disc and mail it.
I am going to spend some time today cleaning up the carb, I will post some pictures.

Oranator

[Oranator]

I think I really need to buy a set of Whitworth tools.
Any suggestions?

Oranator

[Adrian II]

A good set of 1/2" drive sockets and combination wrenches. These might be harder to find for the larger size hexagons, consider also good open-enders and box spanners - sorry, wrenches for (eg) counterdrive sprocket nut, etc. You might need some imperial (AF) hex keys.

Start here, but I'm sure you will find all you need, possiby from specialist suppliers. Don't forget to check on-line for compatible AF sizes, eg 3/16"W => 7/16"AF, 7/16"W => 13/16"AF

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[grumbern]

Hi Oran,
I do have some vintage advertisements and articles that i could mail you as well as newer articles I found, containig some data, even though sometimes contradicting

I'll send you my address for the harness!
Andreas