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SteveThackery

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Reply #45 on: October 02, 2015, 10:43:56 pm
  • in gear + clutch lever out + off the throttle + engine braking = pop, pop, pop (aka decel popping)
  • in gear + clutch lever in + off the throttle + coasting = zilch (aka idling)
  • out of gear + clutch any which way + off the throttle + coasting = zilch (aka idling)

That's what I get, anyway.  =)

I've seen people argue over the understanding of "clutch in" and "clutch out" - and even "engaged" and "disengaged." So I tend to simplify/clarify it down to "lever in" or "lever out."

This is all so complicated!!  All you need is the phrase "on the overrun", which means the throttle is shut and the engine is being "pulled" by the bike.  That creates a particular set of conditions in the combustion chamber and makes our bikes pop.  (Lots of other bikes and cars, too, especially older designs.)
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Reply #46 on: October 02, 2015, 11:01:32 pm
This is all so complicated!!

It wasn't my intent to be complicated - just specific. I understand the phenomenon.

Earlier in the thread there were several mentions of "popping" with the "clutch pulled in." Rather than question the authors' veracity, I chose to state what my experience has been. I stated it with some specificity as to the various factors I've found to be required for "popping" to occur in this way - and what happens absent certain of these factors.

I guess I could have just quoted the "clutch in" posts - commenting with a simple "WTF?!  :o "




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Reply #47 on: October 03, 2015, 04:49:08 am
KD5ITM, what silencer are you using?

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Im using the stainless steel Motad header and muffler sold by Hitchcock.
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Reply #48 on: October 03, 2015, 04:52:36 am
And to go back to the  statement I made about the carbon in the old header pipe and not running to lean.  Im running the power commander v with the stock unmodified map.
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Reply #49 on: October 03, 2015, 04:54:55 am
This is all so complicated!!  All you need is the phrase "on the overrun", which means the throttle is shut and the engine is being "pulled" by the bike.  That creates a particular set of conditions in the combustion chamber and makes our bikes pop.  (Lots of other bikes and cars, too, especially older designs.)

Now remember... some of you guys live in England and speak a funny kind of English  ;)
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Reply #50 on: October 03, 2015, 07:38:20 am
Now remember... some of you guys live in England and speak a funny kind of English  ;)

Yes. And you live in Texas. Shouldn't you be speaking Spanish?

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Reply #51 on: October 03, 2015, 07:42:39 am
And to go back to the  statement I made about the carbon in the old header pipe and not running to lean.  Im running the power commander v with the stock unmodified map.

Wait. You're running the stock map (stock filter and exhaust) with the K&N and Motad?

...and you think your fuel/air is good?
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Reply #52 on: October 03, 2015, 11:12:49 am
I assume that it is known that fuel is delivered differently at different throttle positions, and that it is possible to be  lean at some throttle positions regardless of rich or lean or correct mix at other throttle positions.  The carbon residue 8n the exhaust header is not necessarily an indication of fuel mixture at the closed throttle position.

However, if you like the pops, please carry on.
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Reply #53 on: October 03, 2015, 11:31:57 am
Wait. You're running the stock map (stock filter and exhaust) with the K&N and Motad?

...and you think your fuel/air is good?

I think he meant the stock map that comes with the PCV. Otherwise the PCV is useless.
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Reply #54 on: October 04, 2015, 04:50:53 pm
The stock map that comes with the power commander. Otherwise what's the point?
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Reply #55 on: October 04, 2015, 04:53:28 pm
Yes. And you live in Texas. Shouldn't you be speaking Spanish?

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Reply #56 on: October 05, 2015, 02:38:04 pm
late, but as promised pictures of header pipe where it meets the cylinder head. You can see the multi layers.


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Reply #57 on: October 05, 2015, 02:57:18 pm
Thanks!
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Reply #58 on: October 05, 2015, 03:31:17 pm
That's the Motad?!
  The Carpy is the total opposite. I'm feeling I made a $200 boo boo.
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Reply #59 on: October 05, 2015, 04:11:34 pm
That's the Motad?!
  The Carpy is the total opposite. I'm feeling I made a $200 boo boo.

If you are refering to the pic that xpertmachinist posted, I believe that is a cross section of  the stock header pipe.

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