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on: June 20, 2015, 10:18:29 am
so. How much did you guys pay?
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Reply #1 on: June 20, 2015, 12:40:48 pm
Mine was $230 Australian $
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Reply #2 on: June 20, 2015, 10:07:29 pm
Mine was under 200 U.S.
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Reply #3 on: June 20, 2015, 11:24:12 pm
$225 here at the Houston dealer, or under 40 bucks if you do it yourself.25 dollars here at the houston dealer under 40 bucks if you do it yourself
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Reply #4 on: June 21, 2015, 04:14:48 am
 This is what a service at my dealer costs me.
Labor: free
parts at dealer cost!!
I am a tech there.
But we get $190(2 hours of labor)for labor and parts run around $30.00. We also do the RE service check sheet which shows exactly what was done to your ride.
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Reply #5 on: June 21, 2015, 10:49:55 am
Wow, those first-service costs are crazy expensive! My first service at my closest "certified" dealer (at the time) only cost $50!  8)

I had to ride an hour to get there.  I waited an hour for him to show up.  He had no oil filters; I happened to have brought one with me that I had purchased with the bike.  He had no oil - I waited for almost another hour while he ran out to buy some.  In the end, he changed the oil and filter, cleaned the sump screen and drain plug magnets, and adjusted the chain... by putting the bike on the center stand, loosening the axle bolts and levering the wheel backwards with a screwdriver to get the chain as tight as possible, insisting that was the correct way to adjust the chain.

He did nothing else.  Going down the list: He didn't adjust the spark plug, inspect the plug wire or fuel hose.  He didn't check the screw tightness of the fuel pump, or any other fasteners on the bike.  He didn't adjust, or even check, the throttle cable.  He didn't inspect the throttle body hoses, he didn't clean or even look at the air filter.  He didn't adjust, or even check, the clutch adjustment.  He didn't lubricate the rear brake pedal pivot, or anything else on the bike.  He didn't inspect the battery.  He didn't inspect the spokes, or even check the air pressure in the tires.

Then, I rode an hour to get home again.

I got out the owners manual, looked at the list of things he missed, and did them all myself.  And readjusted the chain.

But, it only cost $50!!  :o


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Reply #6 on: June 21, 2015, 11:42:20 am
the filter kit was just over 11 bucks and the oil that my dealer gave me was $7 a quart and I bought three quarts. I would rather do the service myself along with making sure all the bolts have been to work properly and the chain is adjusted properly and everything else is inspected properly. That way doing it myself I know it was done and not just pencil whipped.
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Reply #7 on: June 21, 2015, 08:38:23 pm
When I bought my 2011 G5 I had the first service done by the local dealer (Monroe Motors, SF at that time) $225.00. First and last time I have ever had a dealer service one of my bikes. I have not had sight of the check list Enfield use but suspect that beyond the obvious oil and filter change and chain tensioning it would not be extensive. Being a single cylinder vibrator,  one checks all fasteners on a regular basis . Then checking for cam lash which you can hear leaves very little left with a fuel injected machine. Naturally, one item that should be included and I suspect is not, would be the required disconnecting of the side stand cut out switch (which is guaranteed to strand you otherwise).
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Reply #8 on: June 21, 2015, 09:04:26 pm
one thing that should be added to everyone's check list is check those folks and retighten as necessary. Fortunately for me I know how to true carbon fiber bicycle wheels so the wheels on the gt-r not much more difficult. When I bought the bike my front wheel had several loose spokes. all you need is the proper size tool to match the lugs on the spokes.
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Reply #9 on: June 21, 2015, 11:14:21 pm
... Being a single cylinder vibrator,  one checks all fasteners on a regular basis . Then checking for cam lash which you can hear leaves very little left with a fuel injected machine....

There is nothing to check concerning the cam lash.

The engine has hydraulic valve lifters which require no adjustment.
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Reply #10 on: June 22, 2015, 03:43:42 am
Mine was free, but given the service they provided, was overpriced. They checked almost nothing and sent it back to me with an oil leak. At least they smothered the overtightened (by them) chain and rear tyre with chain lube though.The next one was done at another dealer with actual Enfield experience and cost $120.00 with oil and filter change, screen, cleaned, no oil leaks and a quick whip around to check for loose things. Didn't need the plug checking or other stuff. After my first free service my original dealer told me the next one would be $250.
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Reply #11 on: June 22, 2015, 03:48:23 am
In my opinion 120 is still way over priced.
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Reply #12 on: June 22, 2015, 03:54:24 am
Most shops charge about $100/hour to work on a car or motorcycle.

When I figure time plus the cost of the filter and oil, $120 isn't bad.

On the other hand, I just pay myself the $100/hour to do the job and I know it's done right when I do it myself. :)
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Reply #13 on: June 22, 2015, 03:57:40 am
So what is the go with doing the service yourself in regards to making a warranty claim?
Does it have to be serviced by an Enfield Service Ctr?

I want to do all the servicing myself, but not sure about doing it during the warranty period.
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Reply #14 on: June 22, 2015, 04:04:58 am
For me I find it over priced because I can do everything the shop will do and probably more for the cost of a filter and oil.

The last forkli dealer I worked at charged 120 for a shop job.
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Reply #15 on: June 22, 2015, 04:25:10 am
I think that First Service should start with 60 points check list of Pre-Delivery Inspection List of Royal Enfield. It has torques for certain nuts/bolts.

The second document First Service List of Royal Enfield in India has 22 check points.

The points from second document such as Washing and Cleaning the motorcycle :), that are missing in the Pre-Delivery Check List, should be added. 

Besides these two combined lists, add other check points based on our riding experience here in USA but are not mentioned in either list.

These are - disconnect the side-stand cut off switch, change the spark plug to NGK, change the fork oil, activate headlight switch, replace battery to AGM, replace chain etc. Some of them may not be necessary but it helps to know what are the possible points to keep in mind. Something you may need to do at a later stage.

One thing that has been emphasized but I may repeat is Tighten EVERY Nut, Screw, Bolt, anything that holds two pieces together, anything that your eyes can see and even those which are hiding behind something. I mean who would think that the screws holding the turn signal lens can also loosen :D, but RE has a way of loosening anything.   

Two official lists from RE India are attached here as pdfs.

Print and give the lists to the dealer and ask him to go over each point or you may go over yourself if doing your own service.
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Reply #16 on: June 22, 2015, 05:36:11 am
In my opinion 120 is still way over priced.
Yes it's very selfish of the motorcycle workshop to want to make a living, feed their kids and pay their bills on time. I don't know what mechanics are paid in the US but I wouldn't be taking a job that didn't pay me $30 an hour. Then they have their costs. But I'm with you, once my warranty is done, I'll do it myself. For the meantime, I'll take it to them every other service, just to keep in touch and them happy with the warranty. Only 9 months to go....
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Reply #17 on: June 22, 2015, 08:06:27 am
Hello,

It cost me € 90 ($ 80), labor is free (or more specifically paid when purchasing the bike).
I stayed during the procedure. Not very talkative guy did not seem very familiar with RE.
If I did not report him, he would have forgotten one of the bolts when changing the oil. It does not increase a confidence that was already average and as it was an easy job, I'll do the next revision myself.

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Reply #18 on: June 22, 2015, 09:21:12 am
Yes it's pretty scary seeing so called "mechanics" cock up something as simple as an oil change. Dealers here seem to get into and out of again the Royal Enfield brand regularly and I guess they all use customer's bikes as learning experiences. Not cool, IMO. The crew I'm using now have been RE dealers for many years and one of their mechanics knows them well. Unfortunately RE has appointed a new Australian importer, who decided that the dealer didn't fit into their plans, striped them of their RE dealership and gave it to the local "junk" bike dealer (Daelim, CF Moto, Kymco) who probs don't know shit about RE and will pass it on soon enough.
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Reply #19 on: June 22, 2015, 05:15:46 pm
I think that First Service should start with 60 points check list of Pre-Delivery Inspection List of Royal Enfield. It has torques for certain nuts/bolts.

The second document First Service List of Royal Enfield in India has 22 check points.

Interesting, and useful!  I'm pretty sure the dealer I bought my bike from never saw that pre-delivery inspection list.  The first service list shows items similar, in nature and number, to those on the maintenance schedule in my owners manual...


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Reply #20 on: June 23, 2015, 04:38:34 am
I emailed the new Australian Importer a few weeks ago. Never received an answer. Looks like their not of to a good start.
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Reply #21 on: January 05, 2016, 12:33:40 pm
I am from India.

I paid around 1200Rs. ( about 18-20 USD)

Wow its super expensive in other countries.


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Reply #22 on: January 05, 2016, 01:21:58 pm
It costs me nothing other than my time.  ;)


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Reply #23 on: January 05, 2016, 01:51:18 pm
Do you get free oil and filters then? I just had to buy those and a decent spark plug for the first service. Dealer has said he would honour warranty as long as the fault doesn't arise from my poor workmanship or the use of inappropriate parts. Anyway, in the UK we have protection under the Sale of Goods Acts, which neither a warranty nor a guarantee can take precedence over.
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Reply #24 on: January 05, 2016, 02:13:37 pm
Oil and filters cost, I have built a stock. My warranty ll run out soon anyway and than the next decent dealer lives about 300 miles away. Did you have to pay extra for these things or where they included in the "free" service?

IMO guarantee & warranties turning into one of those phony promises like othe financial products.
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Reply #25 on: January 05, 2016, 03:07:29 pm
In the San Francisco Bay Area the going labor rate seems to be about $120 USD an hour.
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Reply #26 on: January 05, 2016, 05:43:20 pm
I buy a supply of filters from Hitchcocks and the oil from an independent oil supplier. The NGK spark plugs I already had as they are the same as a car I once owned. These were bought from an independent car parts supplier as a pack of four, much cheaper than from a bike dealer.
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Reply #27 on: January 06, 2016, 05:00:28 am
In the San Francisco Bay Area the going labor rate seems to be about $120 USD an hour.

Holy F...! What's the hourly wage for a qualified tradesman over there?
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Reply #28 on: January 06, 2016, 05:32:09 am
I am from India.

I paid around 1200Rs. ( about 18-20 USD)

Wow its super expensive in other countries.

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Reply #29 on: January 06, 2016, 09:50:27 am
Uk £80 / $117us / $165Australian / 7823 Rs.
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Reply #30 on: January 06, 2016, 10:00:34 am
Holy F...! What's the hourly wage for a qualified tradesman over there?
If you own a BMW auto in some parts of the U.K. you may be expected to pay £215/hour = $314us / $445 au / 21037Rs.
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Reply #31 on: January 06, 2016, 10:11:49 am
Unless bmw puts the oil stick back on their engines, I would not buy one...the service at the dealer won't include much more than an OBD readout.
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Reply #32 on: January 06, 2016, 03:00:55 pm
A friend of mine has a Beemer. Not only does it not have a dipstick but he has to check the oil level while driving it. He has enough sense not to go to a BMW agent for servicing though; he uses a local independent (same as me with my VW). I suspect only company cars etc use BMW agents.
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Reply #33 on: January 06, 2016, 03:15:23 pm
Holy F...! What's the hourly wage for a qualified tradesman over there?

You can bet it is not nearly that much.  From what I hear from my friends, tradesmen are being squeezed from one end by the shops they work for that are trying to compensate for rising overhead and from the other end by our very high cost of living around here (typically about $2,500 to $3,500 a month for a one-bedroom apartment). It is a tough life, but I am glad there are still people willing to take on the task.
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Reply #34 on: January 06, 2016, 03:29:38 pm
I thought all BMW cars had a dipstick. Usually found behind the steering wheel. ( British humour, with tongue wedged firmly in cheek.) :) ::)
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Reply #35 on: January 06, 2016, 03:42:42 pm
 :) :D ;D ;)...I had a dipstick less bmw if you don't count the one behind the wheel. It was unpleasant as it was consuming oil. The sometimes working digital meter was really useful to figure what is going on... :o

my old one from 1980 didn't consume a drop and had a stick in its cast iron block, that was a good car. Fun in the winters...
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Reply #36 on: January 09, 2016, 04:51:15 am
Motorcycle shop rates in the US seem to vary from about $50/hr to $120/hr.
The biggest cluster is around $80-$85
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Reply #37 on: January 09, 2016, 07:17:06 am
You can bet it is not nearly that much.  From what I hear from my friends, tradesmen are being squeezed from one end by the shops they work for that are trying to compensate for rising overhead and from the other end by our very high cost of living around here (typically about $2,500 to $3,500 a month for a one-bedroom apartment). It is a tough life, but I am glad there are still people willing to take on the task.

That's what I meant: What the tradesman earned, not what the workshop charges. UK and the US both sound like tough places to earn an honest living.
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Reply #38 on: January 09, 2016, 07:25:57 am
That's what I meant: What the tradesman earned, not what the workshop charges. UK and the US both sound like tough places to earn an honest living.
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Reply #39 on: January 10, 2016, 10:22:05 pm
...and the fancy showrooms and "free" coffee. That's why I go to independent specialists (for cars; I always service my own bikes). If the Government gives back the responsibility for setting business rates to local authorities as has been mooted expect big variations in the amounts charged....
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Reply #40 on: January 17, 2016, 12:57:37 am
usually do mine myself for the cost of oil and filter change so that's works out at around $4 for the imported indian filter and about $18 for the oil plus say half an hour  to 40 minutes to do it properly.
I never torque wrench any of the bolts just finger tightened and snug them up a bit at a time from there. never want to risk snapping the bolts off like I have read other have done.
even from new or last few bikes I always do about 3 oil/filter changes in the first 300 miles even after that I am still under the cost of one service plus transporting the bike 400 miles return trip to do the service plus the drive hours and waiting time.
now as to them BMW which I have owned about 15 of the crappy cars including 4 z3 which I still have one and a z4. I still say they are not much of a car but image wise -they look good ;) so for that reason the lone z3 stays...lol
now you imagine what crap get thrown about in the z3 forum which I belong too when they go on about how good their cars are and as I also have the mazdaspeed Miata factory turbo which is easily the better car I am in a position to give them a serve- as I hold both units...lol
really is very good car that's why the z3 was left home in the garage when I took the 11,000klm road trip to central Australia in the mazda. I didn't want to be stranded in the aussie outback and ripped off heavily in the pocket should the bmw pack it in........and it would have! ::) 


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Reply #41 on: January 18, 2016, 04:30:48 pm
My first service cost me a free afternoon at the Brittish European bike show, working the booth with my friends' shop. ;)


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Reply #42 on: January 20, 2016, 05:03:29 pm
Exactly these high costs (Germany between 80-130 €/h) have been the reason, why I do ALL work myself.....you know WHO made it and HOW the work was done...you sit in your own garage with a beer or coffee, radio on, heater on.....everything fine !

I also did it with my MV for checking rear wheel bearing-unit (complete disassembly.....but I have the workshop manual) and for valve adjustment......3 evenings a 2h...everything fine !
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