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on: April 08, 2015, 03:33:26 am
I'm a Continental GT owner looking to create a GP style shift pattern on my bike (one up, four down). I realized that the standard UCE bikes have a shift lever directly attached to the shaft instead of having the linkage that comes from the factory on the GT. My thought process is to order a shifter and attach it 180* from normal for your bikes so that it is within reach of my toes with the rear sets. So I have a couple questions:

What is the length of the shifter from the center of of the output shaft to the end of the shifter? Center to center measurements are fine too. Just trying to see if it will be where my toes need it to be.

Do you think the the shifter would clear the case that protrudes a little farther aft of the shaft?

I really appreciate your help here. I could just order one and see, but I'd rather have some insight from those who have one before I do.
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Reply #1 on: April 08, 2015, 03:35:12 am
One last question. What's the diameter in MM's of the gear selector shaft? I would assume that all UCE's are the same on this, but I just want to make sure.


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Reply #2 on: April 08, 2015, 08:43:03 am
I'd be all over this ..... but .....  I'm out of town without my Bullet.

Maybe somebody else will flop his lever over and take some pics of the clearances ......
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Reply #3 on: April 08, 2015, 09:35:11 am
I took the lever of mine (a B5) and I've marked up the measurements.

It clears the case easily - I'll post a pic later, when I refit it.


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Reply #4 on: April 08, 2015, 09:42:33 am
There we go: plenty of room.
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Reply #5 on: April 08, 2015, 11:57:12 am
WOW!!! You're awesome! Thank you for your help!

Now I just need to take a measure and see if that is where my toes will catch it properly.

Thank you again!


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Reply #6 on: April 08, 2015, 12:11:02 pm
Yep! Looks like it'll be great! Maybe only a slightly larger gap between my peg and the lever, but only by a few MM's.



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Reply #7 on: April 08, 2015, 01:06:09 pm
Left-hand shift ?
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Reply #8 on: April 08, 2015, 01:49:38 pm
Yes sir! I don't think I could handle a right side. I just need to be able to upshift by tapping down so I don't have to catch my toes on the track when upshifting in a left turn.


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Reply #9 on: April 08, 2015, 02:05:10 pm
Thank you for your help!

It's a great pleasure.  It's good that we help each other - I've received plenty of help myself and am grateful for it.
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Reply #10 on: April 08, 2015, 03:00:12 pm
Does anyone know where I can order that shifter from? I looked on both Nfield and Hitchcock's, but didn't see it offered for sale. Saw a picture of one on a website called Royal Motorcycles, but couldn't seem to click on it to buy it.

Any suggestions?


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Reply #11 on: April 08, 2015, 04:01:33 pm
Does anyone know where I can order that shifter from? I looked on both Nfield and Hitchcock's, but didn't see it offered for sale. Saw a picture of one on a website called Royal Motorcycles, but couldn't seem to click on it to buy it.

Any suggestions?
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Reply #12 on: April 08, 2015, 04:13:22 pm
Part numbers:
lever: 550103 $13.95
toe rubber: 146640 $6.95
Bolt: 570030 $3.95
Washer: 141061 $.99
Nut: 141306 $.99

Everything is in stock but not on the website.


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Reply #13 on: April 08, 2015, 05:22:10 pm
Awesome! Thank you.


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Reply #14 on: April 16, 2015, 06:21:16 pm
Got the B5 shifter in today and fitted it up. The toe rubber is slightly farther from the foot peg than the stock setup was, but it's fine for me. Maybe someone with really short feet would find it too far, but I reach it without any trouble.

Thanks again for your help on those measurements!


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Reply #15 on: April 16, 2015, 10:49:41 pm
Yay!  Success story!
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Reply #16 on: April 25, 2015, 04:52:49 pm
when my toe rubber fell off I replaced it with about an inch of rubber tubing I got at the hardware store. NF Gear has the toe rubbers as you know, but they are like 7 bucks and they wanted about the same for shipping. My little piece or black rubber hose was fifty cents and stays on well.


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Reply #17 on: April 27, 2015, 05:58:04 am
I got used to a right hand shift on a vintage Triumph, but I doubt I could ever get used to an upside down shifter. I would probably destroy the engine/transmission in short order. Is there a reason for this shift pattern? Never been a road racer, but used to race MX. They had regular shifters.
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Reply #18 on: April 27, 2015, 01:48:00 pm
I got used to a right hand shift on a vintage Triumph, but I doubt I could ever get used to an upside down shifter. I would probably destroy the engine/transmission in short order. Is there a reason for this shift pattern? Never been a road racer, but used to race MX. They had regular shifters.

Since it's "upside down" with the foot peg behind it, the shift pattern becomes 1st - up 2nd-5th down.  When first engaging the gears one would hook one's toe underneath and flip it up.  All subsequent upshifts would then merely require a quick tap down with the toe to move to the next higher gear.  In theory it's faster, and should be slightly faster once the pattern is learned and "burned to memory".  Downshifting, of course, would entail toe under up flips to engage the next lower gear. 
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Reply #19 on: April 27, 2015, 02:02:01 pm
Is there a reason for this shift pattern?

It is to facilitate better foot/body position while down shifting into corners at speed - that and to keep the toe of your boot from dragging while downshifting in the corners.  It's a road racing thing for sure.  I had that on my CBR back in the day and got used to it fairly quickly.
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Reply #20 on: April 27, 2015, 02:02:12 pm
Since it's "upside down" with the foot peg behind it, the shift pattern becomes 1st - up 2nd-5th down.

For what it's worth, I actually prefer it this way round.  Of course, I've adapted to the normal way, but it just seems more natural to press the lever down to select a higher gear.
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Reply #21 on: April 27, 2015, 07:19:50 pm
It is to facilitate better foot/body position while down shifting into corners at speed - that and to keep the toe of your boot from dragging while downshifting in the corners.  It's a road racing thing for sure.  I had that on my CBR back in the day and got used to it fairly quickly.

Am I missing something obvious?  Would downshifting using this pattern require you to lift - and have your toe beneath the lever, closer to the ground?


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Reply #22 on: April 27, 2015, 07:30:02 pm
Maybe he meant "tapping down" which is actually an upshift in this setup. Yes, there are plenty of times when you find yourself in a longer left hander than the gear is that you entered, thereby requiring to shift. Guys that run standard shift just have to eat it and hold their revs steady until they get the bike upright enough to hook their toe under to upshift.


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Reply #23 on: May 02, 2015, 04:41:18 pm
Maybe he meant "tapping down" which is actually an upshift in this setup. Yes, there are plenty of times when you find yourself in a longer left hander than the gear is that you entered, thereby requiring to shift. Guys that run standard shift just have to eat it and hold their revs steady until they get the bike upright enough to hook their toe under to upshift.

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Reply #24 on: May 02, 2015, 04:45:24 pm
What he said -  ;D  My writing abilities apperatnly decreases when I add hops and grain.

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Reply #25 on: May 02, 2015, 10:10:22 pm
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Reply #26 on: May 03, 2015, 11:17:01 am
My c5 is the first bike I have ridden with the heel and toe shifter. After getting used to pushing down and never lifting up I think why have all bikes not got this??
A great solution used extensively in the distant past and so simple.
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