[palace15]

Hi Guys, my bike is a 2010 C5 single spark NOT Twin spark EFI model, I am in India at the moment, can anyone tell me if the RR unit on my bike is 3 phase with RE part number 592174/B and is the correct Starter relay RE part number 147955/B.
Any help with this enquiry will be most appreciated.
Dave from 'over the pond' !

[singhg5]

The regulator/rectifier is 3 phase, part number 581024 as seen on the OEM package.

The starter relay is part number 146242, from RE part number booklet for G5. I think it should be same for your C5.

RE sometimes changes part numbers, IF they change part with a newer version.

What part of India are you travelling ?

[palace15]

Hi Thanks for the reply, I started out in Mumbai and then headed down to Kochin Kerala, not sure how long I will be here for! Do you think the parts I have shown are ok for my C5 ? Once again Thanks.

[palace15]

And a few more!

[singhg5]

RR looks good.

Starter relay looks slightly taller than original, which appears squarish. The small blue and white wires are the same as original. However, the white connector at the end of these wires is not clear in the picture due to plastic bag on it. I have attached a picture and you can see if all parts in the package match with the picture.

The packages have current date of 2014. It is possible that their part numbers could be different from what we have from 2009 or 2010. The price is awesome, can't beat that !

Enjoy your stay in India, hope to see some pictures or videos of your travel.

[palace15]

Hi guys especially Singh, do these pictures help?

[singhg5]

How many wire are attached to the body of the relay - total number of small and large wires ? Are there 4 or 5 and what colors and ends look like ?

Are there 1 or 2 wires in the red connector ?

The original relay had 4 wires in total. There are 2 small ones for its activation from starter switch (blue and white with a female white connector at the end), and 1 large terminal+wire for connecting to battery positive, and 1 large terminal+wire for connecting to starter motor.

[palace15]

On the relay; 1 big brown cable to black rubber cover, 1 big red cable to red rubber cover, 1 blue and 1 white wire to small white plug and 1 red wire to red small plug.
                 
                     
               

[singhg5]

On the relay; 1 big brown cable to black rubber cover, 1 big red cable to red rubber cover, 1 blue and 1 white wire to small white plug and 1 red wire to red small plug.

There are 5 wires !

Where is Mattsz ? He had five on his motorcycle.

Here is the link to a very interesting and helpful post started by Mattsz where he discusses connecting 5 wire starter relay to his motorcycle. The title of his thread is 'battery cable replacement' but there is lot of discussion on connecting wires to starter relay with 5 wires. It is long but will help you with connecting this starter relay on your C5.

http://www.enfieldmotorcycles.com/forum/index.php/topic,18593.0/all.html

[palace15]

So Singh, are you saying I have the wrong starter relay? if this is the case they will change it for me!

[singhg5]

So Singh, are you saying I have the wrong starter relay? if this is the case they will change it for me!

NO !  It is not wrong - just different.

Some of us have 4 wire and some got 5 wire starter relays. GHG or someone in the other thread had said that this fifth wire (red connector) is just a convenient place to get power, instead of battery post. This is my understanding from Mattsz thread, though someone with 5 wire can confirm if I understood it correctly.   

In our case (4 wire), there is a red (power) wire that starts from positive battery post and supplies current - I have attached a picture of that connector, it is black-with-red wire.  THINKING IT AGAIN, it may be for charging the battery, instead of power supply from battery !

In the 5 wire starter relays, the red connector (of your package) will take the place of my G5 black-connector-with-red-wire.

For 5 wire relays, disconnect the black-connector-with-red-wire (in my G5 picture below) from battery and attach the red-connector (of your package) in its place. Both of them are male connectors so will fit the other half.

EDIT:  May be these are not same connectors in terms of male/femle, a bit hard to see some pictures !  JUST WAIT and LET US THINK AGAIN HOW THESE CONNECTIONS WILL BE DONE.

[palace15]

many thanks for your help and patience, I am always plagued by things electrical(and a sprag clutch!!)

When I get to the States again Singh, I owe you, many thanks
Dave

[singhg5]

Please see my EDIT in previous post, since I looked at pictures again. The red connector seems to be different in terms being male or female than what I had initially thought. Let us think it again a bit more.

But Matt did work it out, so there should be a way to connect them correctly.

[singhg5]

The electric circuit diagram shows that ONLY ONE thin red wire connects to battery positive post.

This one wire divides into 2 - part A and part B.

Part A divides into two again - one for charging from RR and second portion supplies power to ignition switch.

Part B supplies power to power relay.

So the black-connector-with-red-wire that connects to battery positive post (in the picture of my G5 in previous post) is the last portion of the 2-wires-merged-into-one. 

@DAVE:  Looking at Matt's one of the pictures, the blue-and-white wire connector on his B5 (with 5 wire relay) is the same as in your package BUT it is different from blue-and-white wire connector on my G5, which has 4 wire relay ! They will NOT connect to each other.

IF YOU HAVE 4 WIRE RELAY ON YOUR C5, TRY TO GET THE 4 WIRE UNIT. 

IF YOU HAVE 5 WIRE RELAY ON YOUR C5 THEN IT SHOULD MATCH.  

If you don't remember which one is on your bike, buy ONE of EACH, still cheaper than buying one in UK or US .

[gashousegorilla]

  I'm pretty sure i have a 5 wire relay Singh..... I'll check it when i get home.     Two wires for the coil, one to the battery, one to the starter and a red wire for supplying the fuses. That would be the wire that is at the relay for a battery connection, instead of right the the battery positive.

[singhg5]

  I'm pretty sure i have a 5 wire relay Singh..... I'll check it when i get home.     Two wires for the coil, one to the battery, one to the starter and a red wire for supplying the fuses. That would be the wire that is at the relay for a battery connection, instead of right the the battery positive.

Do you have a picture of this red wire connecting to the fuses - where is this connection on the bike - may be hiding behind battery ?

Moreover circuit diagram shows only 4 wires on the starter relay. Their is no fifth wire leaving starter solenoid in any wiring diagram that I have seen. RE diagrams can be only suggestions..... but still this thing missing completely ...... 

[mattsz]

Singhg5 - you are correct about everything you said about my experience.  To be honest, I couldn't quite follow your description as I am currently asleep on my feet after a long drive to Philadelphia to attend my grandmother's funeral - she lived to 101 years old!

My problem was, all the 5 wires on my OEM relay disappeared into some sort of hard bedding compound which completely hid all the connections.  As it turned out, the red wire was the supplying the fuses, connected to the battery cable at the relay instead of somewhere else.  The diagram does indeed not accurately show the actual hookup of the wires.  I used a 4-connector relay, and attached the small red wire to the same large battery cable lead which runs right to the positive battery terminal.

[gashousegorilla]

   Here ya go. Not the best picture, but you get the idea.   5 wire relay.... blue and white trigger or coil wires, brown wire to starter, heavy red wire to battery. And right along side the heavy red wire, is a much smaller gauge wire.   That small red wire use to feed the fuses,  you can see it disconnected in the pic.  I replaced it with a 12 gauge  wire right to the battery positive.

[singhg5]

That small red wire use to feed the fuses,  you can see it disconnected in the pic.  I replaced it with a 12 gauge  wire right to the battery positive.

I am not sure I understand the meaning of 'to feed fuses' the way this wire is connected.

Which fuses is it feeding, the ones in the circuit diagram ?

If this fifth red wire FROM solenoid is directly connected to battery positive post, how does this feed fuses ?

Can you draw on the circuit diagram this extra wire starting from solenoid to its final connections so that I may have some visual to go by.

One good diagram will clear this ambiguity, much better than a hundred words  .

[gashousegorilla]

  OK I will, but I'm tired right now       But in the mean time....    The heavy red wire brings power to the relay from the positive battery post.  Inside that relay and buried in the resin, there is a smaller red wire that makes contact and must be tied into that heavy red wire.    From THAT connection..... and instead of it being connected  directly to the positive battery post. The Small red wire runs to one side of the main fuse. THEN.... on the other side of the main fuse, the wire branches and feeds the other two fuses.... THEN..... out of the other side of the two other fuses the circuits are fed.     

[singhg5]

   The heavy red wire brings power to the relay from the positive battery post.  Inside that relay and buried in the resin, there is a smaller red wire that makes contact and must be tied into that heavy red wire.

FINALLY ! Some clarity  . 

This small red wire sticking out of solenoid is getting power FROM HEAVY RED WIRE, via a hidden connection between the two, inside the body of solenoid. The secret is revealed.

So this small red wire (sticking out of relay) is HOT the moment heavy red wire is connected to battery positive.

If it were so, then there will be no need of another small red wire that leaves positive battery post of my G5, as shown in one of the pictures posted earlier. Also the circuit diagram will need to be corrected to remove that portion of wire which starts from battery.  (PS - can't remove this small portion because it is connected to RR on other end, so it charges battery).

I think I get it now.  THANKS, GHG !!   

[mattsz]

What's a-matter?

all the 5 wires on my OEM relay disappeared into some sort of hard bedding compound which completely hid all the connections.  As it turned out, the red wire was the supplying the fuses, connected to the battery cable at the relay instead of somewhere else.

wasn't clear enough for ya?!?

Just kidding - GHG put it right... I guess I was more tired than he was! 

[gashousegorilla]

   I think we were ALL tired last night !    And My condolences Matt .

[singhg5]

What's a-matter?

wasn't clear enough for ya?!?

Just kidding - GHG put it right... I guess I was more tired than he was! 

Yah..... I ask myself what is the matter with me !

   I think we were ALL tired last night !    And My condolences Matt .

It was very late, we were pretty sleepy and tired.

Have a good day and weekend guys !   

[Bulletman]

My Condolonces to you Mattz, 101 yearsisan awesome landmark glad you got to enjoy her ... I got tired just reading the issue till it got resolved finally..

[singhg5]

Great pictures of five wire solenoid taken apart by Ryanof, another Forum member, that show the configuration of wires hidden inside the body of starter relay. 

Happy !

[mattsz]

re. condolences:

Thanks guys!  She had a great life, and was a great grandmother (and a great-grandmother!).  It was not a sorrowful occasion!

[wildbill]

sorry to hear of your loss. on the other hand at 101 what a span of history - cars/moonwalk/computers/ internet etc etc -list goes on and on.

[singhg5]

re. condolences:

Thanks guys!  She had a great life, and was a great grandmother (and a great-grandmother!).  It was not a sorrowful occasion!

In this moving wheel of life, we meet as friends, relatives, parents or siblings and then depart - leaving behind memories in the hearts of dear ones. All powerful Time spares no one. My condolences, Matt. 

[gashousegorilla]

  Pretty cool with that relay Singh.    But oh boy..... I don't think THAT one could be fixed !