[1 Thump]

...... into another war, led this time by a Nobel peace prize winner. Sigh !

[D the D]

It's Bush's fault!

[High On Octane]

It's Bush's fault!

A LOT of crap is Bush's fault.  But I guess it's too late for that.
Besides, war is the American way.

Scottie

[D the D]

It's not a war, it's an Intervention.    Ok Mr. Prez, send Dr. Drew and televise it on OWN or Bravo.
"No boots on the ground."  Hmm.  Didn't that general just say they have plans to secure chemical weapons if deemed necessary?  How if not with troops?
Same people who want to bomb Syria for using chemical weapons are still in denial that Saddam used them on the Kurds.  Oh, the Bushes killed Iraqi's over oil, you want to kill Syrians for humanitarian reasons.  OK, got it.

[GreenMachine]

I dare you to drive your enfield over this red line...Go ahead make my day...These idiots have been blowing everything up for the past 2 years..If u stick your nose in it now, be prepared to add another trillon to the debt....Wonder if France can spring for half.....

[ace.cafe]

I think it can safely be said at this point that politicians and officials are completely full of shit, and can never be trusted with anything, ever. They are the most corrupt and vile creatures ever to stain the face of this planet.
End of rant.

[High On Octane]

+1

[1 Thump]

I think it can safely be said at this point that politicians and officials are completely full of shit, and can never be trusted with anything, ever. They are the most corrupt and vile creatures ever to stain the face of this planet.
End of rant.

+2

[crush02342002]

+3

[single]

"At this point what difference can it possibly make"----how our enemies kill each other.
I wish they were all a lot more efficient at it.I do not care how they accomplish it.Let them perfect their own little Hell and roast in it.

[High On Octane]

The USA is a lot like the unpopular kid at school who is always trying to fit in.  ALWAYS sticking it's nose in other peoples business.  ALWAYS creating problems with other countries.  ALWAYS trying to FIX other countries problems.  I don't know where it all started, but it is QUITE evident that the USA has this mentality that "It's up to the USA to save the World."

HEY! DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ALIKE!  PULL YOUR FUCKING HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES AND TRY SAVING OUR COUNTRY FIRST!!!  You want to get involved with countries that have absolutely NO positive effect on the outcome of our own country.  You try to stop holy wars that have been going on between countries for THOUSANDS of years, and the only result is that these countries are now even more pissed at each other, and now pissed at US too.  The only result from all this nonsense bullshit is you continue to run our country into debt and continue to make enemies with other nations.  You look like a bunch of idiots.  Do you see Japan trying to save the day?  No!  Do you see New Zealand trying to save the day?  No!  Do you see Canada trying to save the day?  Hell No!  So why do you imbecile politicians take it upon yourselves to make yourselves look like a big shot and a complete asshole at the same time?

So to everyone sitting in the White House and Pentagon and other political houses in this country, I say "Fuck you.  Mind your own damn business.  And how about actually doing something beneficial for the people of this Country instead spending trillions of dollars intervening in wars and problems that are none of our concern???"  Assholes.

Scottie

[ace.cafe]

Ever since the globalist mentality took over D.C., it has been that way.

People are beginning to wake up to the fact that the US government doesn't work for the people of the US, it works for the international banksters and their goals of a one world gov't or new world order, or whatever you want to call it.
It's getting so obvious now that even people who don't pay attention can see it.

[1 Thump]

For those who watch news on TV, today was a full throated attempt to promote the white house agenda. Fareed Zakaria, an otherwise reasonable person, also hosted a four person panel, all echoing essentially the same thing. What was even more surprising was that the discussion was focussed on strategy/tactics/goals and how to accomplish them. None even questioned the need for military action or if we even afford it. 

This is going to be another quagmire headed by Kerry and Obama who ran on an anti war platform to begin with......Phew !

[D the D]

It ain't nothin' new.  Adams and Jefferson fought over it and Jefferson ran on a no intervention/no large military until he sent the Navy and Marines to invade North Africa.  Don't leave out that Mexico didn't need Texas back or to have CA, NM, NV, Arizona,.... Hawaii was annexed to protect American citizens (to keep it from joining the British Commonwealth and secure American robber baron interests, but hey, lots not tell the truth).   The Maine was an excuse to intervene in the 1st Cuban Revolution and kick the Spanish out of our Gulf and our Pacific. The Philippine Insurrection followed that, then the Banana Republics in the early 1900s, Korea, Vietnam, Cypress, Lebanon, Haiti a couple more times followed by Panama and Grenada.    We have always done it.  And, as Obama said the other day, it' the job of the United States to police everyone.
Time for change.  YES?

[ridgerunner]

"At this point what difference can it possibly make"----how our enemies kill each other.
I wish they were all a lot more efficient at it.I do not care how they accomplish it.Let them perfect their own little Hell and roast in it.

Great Billery quote! It seems odd that Reps get called war mongers when we get into most wars by Dems. Roosevelt-WWII, Truman-Korea, Kennedy/Johnson- Vietnam, Clinton-Bosnia, Somalia, Obama- Lybia, Pakistan, Dijibouti, Nigerand Syria next

[ace.cafe]

Great Billery quote! It seems odd that Reps get called war mongers when we get into most wars by Dems. Roosevelt-WWII, Truman-Korea, Kennedy/Johnson- Vietnam, Clinton-Bosnia, Somalia, Obama- Lybia, Pakistan, Dijibouti, Nigerand Syria next

That fact is even more interesting when we see that the warlike neo-conservative faction of the Republican Party, characterized most fully in the GWB administration, was actually founded by a group of disaffected warlike liberals who's intent was/is to infiltrate and take over the Republican Party and "conservatism" in general, and re-shape it into what is essentially a big gov't domestic policy and warlike foreign policy. This is according to the actual words written in The Weekly Standard article by the late Irving Kristol(father of William Kristol), who has been considered the "Godfather of Neocons".

So, the actors haven't really changed. They just went undercover and switched parties and took over.

[AgentX]

That fact is even more interesting when we see that the warlike neo-conservative faction of the Republican Party, characterized most fully in the GWB administration, was actually founded by a group of disaffected warlike liberals who's intent was/is to infiltrate and take over the Republican Party and "conservatism" in general, and re-shape it into what is essentially a big gov't domestic policy and warlike foreign policy. This is according to the actual words written in The Weekly Standard article by the late Irving Kristol(father of William Kristol), who has been considered the "Godfather of Neocons".

So, the actors haven't really changed. They just went undercover and switched parties and took over.

That's pretty much the size of it...neocons are the worst of all worlds, catalyzed by the fact that they're generally academics and businessmen trying to project their models of how the world should work onto reality, and naming anyone with real-world experience that contradicts their theories as ineffective, spineless bureaucrats or nay-sayers.  (Including, say, Gen Anthony Zinni...I also had a laugh at Gen Mattis's recent comments about potentials in Syria.  "You invade a country, pull down a statue, and then what??")

However, the move towards isolationist thinking in America is also troubling.

We can be engaged with the world, and we need to be engaged with the world.  Isolationism preceded WWI and II both, and although we may never have been able to avoid it we could have mitigated the situations to make them less dire, perhaps even contain them regionally or reduce their magnitudes.

We shouldn't ignore Syria.  We should encourage those who need to act--Syria's Arab neighbors, and call them out for not acting.  We need to step back and stop spending trillions on wars, increase our diplomatic efforts, and re-build American credibility.

The saddest thing is that everyone in the US gov't analyzing the Syrian situation is looking at it from a perspective on how best to leverage the domestic implications to their advantage, not at what's right strategically, morally, or even just practically in the long-term.

[redcat]

This is a little off topic but it does reflect the disconnect between the citizen and the Government

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9-R8T1SuG4

[GreenMachine]

Haaaaaaaaa , old George "the eternal pessimist"made me laugh this Sunday morning...