Author Topic: 2011 B5 Oil Analysis report 2235 miles  (Read 3436 times)

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on: August 18, 2012, 01:35:25 am
UGH......

I sure hope this is an Atypical result.

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Reply #1 on: August 18, 2012, 02:07:39 am
That's really interesting.  I've never heard of anyone doing that kind of analysis for a street bike before.  Which oil are you using?  Keep in mind that the engine and transmission use the same oil and now that you're through the 600 mile break-in period your spending more time in the higher revs and higher gears which saw less use previously.


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Reply #2 on: August 18, 2012, 02:10:52 am
I blacked the oil name for sanity sake, and to avoid "brand wars"

suffice it to say it is a full synthetic motorcycle oil.  15W50.
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Reply #3 on: August 18, 2012, 03:27:45 am
I wouldn't worry too much about the data. 

I think your oil had a LOT more miles on it this time than on the previous tests so having a higher percentage of metallic debris is to be expected.



 
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Reply #4 on: August 18, 2012, 03:39:20 am
Is this the first sample analysis for this engine ?
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Reply #5 on: August 18, 2012, 03:53:28 am
3rd of 3 samples,  the columns are titled with the miles & date of each sample.

If you want to see the lab's comments from each sample, look back through for the other two forum topics...
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Reply #6 on: August 18, 2012, 04:29:34 am
Interesting, thanks for posting.


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Reply #7 on: August 18, 2012, 04:49:26 pm
I agree with Arizoni. You put a lot more miles on it than with the other two
analyses and the engine is still in the breakin mode, at least for the 1500 miles or so. I would suspect the next analyses will be a lot better.
But, thanks for posting these, it is very interesting info.
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Reply #8 on: August 19, 2012, 12:38:32 pm
I agree the numbers should be going the other way after 2300 miles, maybe things are different on this engine?  The zinc and phosphorus numbers are really low.....you mentioned you used a popular 1 brand of oil the zinc content in it is 1500 ppm when new where did it go??  Did Blackstone say if this is normal for the additives to disappear?


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Reply #9 on: August 19, 2012, 08:31:08 pm
yeah, I wondered about the ZDDP numbers myself.   Usually the zinc and phosphorus are around 800 each.....  Wonder if those elements became embedded in the gear faces, or, if I really did end up with a bad carton of Canadian.....
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Reply #10 on: August 19, 2012, 09:07:14 pm
Thanks for posting this analysis. May I ask how much you have to pay for that? I´d be interesting in examining a sheet from an older bike.

Your bike suffers from magnesium deprivation. Just as my old cat. He´s popping pills  ;D
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Reply #11 on: August 19, 2012, 10:28:15 pm
Is there any data from Enfield for oil analysis or remarks in regard to PPM of materials present over endurance testing with controls for environment?
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Reply #12 on: August 20, 2012, 02:06:59 am
The low  zinc and phosphorus readings look like something I would expect to see with a regular automotive oil, not one that is made for motorcycles with an engine oiled transmission.

On the other hand, I know just enough about motorcycle oil to be dangerous.
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Reply #13 on: August 20, 2012, 03:22:07 am
Just for grins ...  ;D
I found this link: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/engine-oil-analysis/

The referenced example is from the same company (Blackstone) that was published for this thread. Seems credible .. :o
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Reply #14 on: August 20, 2012, 05:39:25 pm
Ok, one more time from start, please: I understand that the indicators for wear are pretty high, whereas the indicators for additives providing protection and lubrication are pretty low. Looks like a perfect match.
On the other hand the run-in period is nearing the end with this oil filling, and it probably would have been a good idea having it changed one more time, halfway between.
Are the remarks about Blackstone´s analysis specified for bikes? Unit constructions should have a very different pattern from engines that have their own case - like cager´s powerplants.
However: I´m too curious! What kind of oil did you run? Apperantly the manufacturer is not too generous concerning additives...Regards
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