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on: July 06, 2012, 08:36:48 am
Hi guys,

Just got a new pair of bar-end mirrors from the dealer today. Was a nice 100+ mile ride  ;D. When I had purchased the B5, I had installed the smaller horizontal bar-ends (as shown in picture 1) - one of them broke when I dropped the bike. Anywho, I got the new ones today (Picture 2,3). At this stage, I'm liking the new ones, but at some point I might go back to the ones I had before. What's your opinion, peeps?  :D

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Reply #1 on: July 06, 2012, 09:09:22 am
I like the new ones. Looks like they might provide a better view  as well.
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Reply #2 on: July 06, 2012, 11:22:09 am
Agreed, the new ones seem to provide more coverage.


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Reply #3 on: July 06, 2012, 12:29:32 pm
         The new ones look good to me.

            What does that big "P" mean?

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Reply #4 on: July 06, 2012, 01:30:55 pm
 :D Yeah, I'll keep the new ones on for now. They be cool. And the 'P' thing, it's the Australian licensing system.

In my state, for cars, you can get your learners license at 16 years of age after doing a computer test - same with the motorbike. Difference is, on the car, you have to complete at least 120 hours (used to be 50 and before that, not sure) of driving with a fully licenced driver which is recorded in an official log book. Then we go for the driving test with the Roads and Maritime Services (RMS, previously RTA) officer/instructor (for the car). Once we pass that, we get a 'Provisional' licence. There are two types of 'provisional' licences. First one is the Red Provisional licence (red P), which we have to keep for a further 12 months. Then we do a computer test and get a green P (after passing), and we have to keep that for a further 2 years..lol. Then after the 2 years, we give another computer test to proceed to our full licence.

With the motorbike, we get the Learner licence (L plate) after doing a two day 6 hour practice course. We get to keep that for a minimum of 3 months (max 12), and then we go for the Motorcycle Operator Skills Test (MOST). Once we pass that, we get the red Ps lol. Then it's the same as the car, green P for two years. The MOST test assesses various skills over eight test segments - here's the link for what we have to do to pass the MOST test.  http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/downloads/most.pdf

Oh and I can't ride with a passenger till I get the green P for the bike. Also on red Ps, we can't exceed 90km/hr (56mph) and on greens we can't exceed 100km/hr (62mph). AND, we're not allowed to have a bike with an engine capacity greater than 660cc or equivalent power/weight ratio (on provisional licence).
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Reply #5 on: July 06, 2012, 02:38:34 pm
Wow!! Complicated licensing system...glad I live in Philippines where you can legally "transfer" (read buy) your license!!  And with no restrictions on number of passengers (I've seen up to 4 on a bike) or speed, apart from the road conditions!!
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Reply #6 on: July 06, 2012, 03:27:25 pm
that system sounds better than what we have in the states.
our system is take a written test get a learner's permit. no passangers, no freeway, no night.
after that under 18 you have to take the msf (motorcycle safety foundation) course and pass.
the you can get whatever you like. an RE or a zx14.
for the over 18 you don't have to take the msf class but you can and that will wave the riding test or if you can ride in a straight line and make 2 turns 1 in each direction you get a license with no restrictions. then go out and get a R1. no skills on a bike that will do 150mph easy.
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Reply #7 on: July 06, 2012, 04:15:49 pm
that system sounds better than what we have in the states.
....snip...... if you can ride in a straight line and make 2 turns 1 in each direction you get a license with no restrictions. then go out and get a R1. no skills on a bike that will do 150mph easy.

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Reply #8 on: July 06, 2012, 04:48:34 pm
Hey JVS
Love those mirrors, did you get them from an RE dealer or other? I will look for some here in Melbourne.


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Reply #9 on: July 07, 2012, 01:45:44 am
[suspicious]Yeah, after all that, we're still not taught how to control an accidental fish-tail/skid in the wet etc But I guess, those type of things, we either learn from close-calls or use the same method if it happens in a car. Either way, no matter how comprehensive or straightforward the system is, I think it is still up to the rider himself/herself to be smart and safe out on the road.

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Thanks brother, I got them from the dealer in Wollongong. These are the MCF bar-ends. http://www.mcsonline.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=garden_flypage.tpl&product_id=2582&category_id=204&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=126[/suspicious]
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Reply #10 on: July 07, 2012, 02:55:00 am
that system sounds better than what we have in the states.

...And different US States may have different licensing criteria; it's an individual state's right to set their own standards. As a matter of convenience, though, all states have very similar, if not identical motor vehicle licensing criteria, as part of that "full faith and credit" clause in the US Constitution.

I've always thought there should be a tiered licensing system set up, since driving is not a "right," in the Constitutional sense, but a privledge. Hell, I know *I* can't handle a ZX-14 worth a cup of lukewarm spit; ain't no way some 16-yr-old goofball can.
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Reply #11 on: July 07, 2012, 02:56:48 am
I like your newer mirrors over your old ones; I think they look a lot nicer, and I suspect they probably require you to take your eyes off the road in front of you a lot less than the old ones do, don't they?
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Reply #12 on: July 07, 2012, 04:11:27 am
Yep, spot on there. They cover a larger area and it is much easier to see what's happening behind as compared to the previous ones.  ;)
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Reply #13 on: February 05, 2013, 12:41:41 am
Thread update

Hey everyone,

After a while with the above shown bar-ends, I thought these were a bit bulky and tall-ish for my liking. I personally like the no-mirror look on these bikes, but I get so paranoid if I don't have mirrors that I might cause a crash myself twisting my neck almost 180 degrees to change lanes  :P Also, the law here states that motorcyclists should have a mirror on either side. Not to mention it is pretty obvious we should have mirrors :|

So I went on E-bay looking for sleek/shorter bar-ends and found these aluminium ones at a very cheap price (on sale) as compared to my existing ones. The above shown ones cost me 7 times the cost of these aluminium ones.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400343578224&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:AU:3160

In summary -

I really like the new ones, they might be small (approx. 2.75'' dia), but have a better reflective index and cover a lot of area at the back. I can clearly see what's happening behind  :D They virtually have a lot of movement and you can play around with them in basically any direction/position you like. They look awesome if put upside-down, but they hit my fuel tank as I've lowered my handlebar quite a bit. But they will work perfectly for many of you guys/girls.

Any opinions/suggestions/thoughts?

PS. I did need to do some drilling/filing/sawing of the aluminium ends that came with these mirrors to encompass the 8mm hex bolts.
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Reply #14 on: February 05, 2013, 01:00:08 am
I like the older mirrors better, smaller and cleaner looking.  I had some like that.  I had to dip my left wrist for a good view but I got used to that and loved how small they were.  Both mirrors look good though so keep whatever you like.

The US has to have one of the lamest licensing systems in the developing world.  It's amazing how little you have to do to get one.  My NY state driving test consisted of maybe 10 minutes driving on neighborhood streets.  A few stop signs, a parallel park, a few turns, maybe a 3 point turn I can't remember.  I don't think I ever drove over 22MPH.  That's it, licensed to drive a car anywhere I want.  Now I had taken a long term driver's education course through my high school, but I sure didn't need it to pass that test!

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Reply #15 on: February 05, 2013, 01:11:09 am
I like 'em.  They'd be nice to have on hand as spares for when I bust my current ones...  ;D


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Reply #16 on: February 05, 2013, 06:36:30 pm
I really like those new, aluminum, ones you just got off Ebay. Think they would work on the C5 Classic after removing the stock bar end weights?
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Reply #17 on: February 05, 2013, 06:52:56 pm
You should try riding your bike without the bar ends first.  I don't think you'll like the vibration.

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Reply #18 on: February 05, 2013, 07:47:50 pm
Mmm, very good advise to check for the vibs first!
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Reply #19 on: February 05, 2013, 10:56:45 pm
Thanks for the replies, people. I'm liking the new ones.

@eggman65
These aluminium ones can't go straight in to our RE handlebars. I had to saw off the ends of either aluminium end and drill the existing holes in them to encompass the 8mm hex bolts that hold the bar-end weights. Once you get them, you'll understand what I'm talking about. It takes some time to do all that, but it's not hard at all. You'll be happy with the end-result.

Indeed these aluminium ones are quite light as compared to the previous ones. To be honest, I haven't noticed any over-the-top increase in vibration. Maybe I'm just used to this. But as Scott has mentioned, try riding without the bar-ends first. The lightweight of the newer ones will soften out some vibration, and a good thing is that they don't vibrate themselves.
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Reply #20 on: February 07, 2013, 03:52:53 am
I like the new aluminum mirrors too. I think they're available in the states from dime city cycles in silver or black.
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Reply #21 on: June 20, 2014, 07:05:48 am
Well, the saga continues  :-X

I installed a new handlebar, which is a bit more swept back and taller than the stock one. It is the older iron barrel model one, completely hollow without the attachment thing for bar-end weights. The mirrors that I had lying around were modified (filed and cut), for the stock handlebar; so that those mirrors could be installed with the bolt right into where the bar-end weights used to be.

Now the new bar was hollow, so I purchased a set of generic bar-ends from E-bay. About $25 including postage. They are about 3 inch in dia and are very adjustable. Fit perfectly. Pretty good! Refer to attachments.
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Reply #22 on: June 20, 2014, 03:02:11 pm
Very cool!  They look the same as the mirrors I picked up  8)



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Reply #23 on: June 20, 2014, 03:11:44 pm
Hey JVS, very similar to the ones i put on my B5 last night. I will do a show and tell when time permits. 8)
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Reply #24 on: June 20, 2014, 09:50:25 pm
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Reply #25 on: June 21, 2014, 12:09:50 am
   I think you made a good choice with the new ones.  Are the bar end mirrors a lot better than the stock set?  Been looking for something with a little more visibility to my immediate rear. 
   As for driver/rider education I think it is a great idea.  When I got my standard license in MD I was required to take driver's ed.  To get my bike license I took the MSF course.  I agree that it is impossible to train someone for every situation.  Common causes of accidents and accident avoidance are all excellent and worth while IMHO.  Experience is the best teacher and responsible riding is your best protection next to your gear.
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Reply #26 on: June 21, 2014, 08:33:52 am
Hey JVS, very similar to the ones i put on my B5 last night. I will do a show and tell when time permits. 8)
Roverman.

Very cool!  They look the same as the mirrors I picked up  8)
And your bike is looking SWEET!

Thanks guys! You both have sweet looking REs  ;D

   I think you made a good choice with the new ones.  Are the bar end mirrors a lot better than the stock set?  Been looking for something with a little more visibility to my immediate rear. 

Hi Arctictanker.

Thanks. These mirrors are quite good and cover a lot of area, thanks to the 3inch dia. The previous aluminium ones were a bit smaller and portrayed the objects to be a bit FAR away than their actual position.

The current ones are pretty decent and have very minimalistic vibration. Other than that, if you haven't tried bar-end mirrors yet, it might take you a bit of time to get used to them. As they will not be at your shoulder height and of course they wouldn't reflect your own shoulders, like the mickey mouse mirrors do. You might have to gaze a bit downwards, but after a few days you'll get used to them very well. I recommend them.
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Reply #27 on: June 21, 2014, 09:08:56 am
I got a pair of cheap bar ends that dont vibrate at all, unfortunatly the day I put them on a idiot decided he didnt like my left one.
So I run with one, before that I had one lollypop anyways so its not different as I dont rely on them anyways.
Works well, very discrete it looks like my bike has no mirrors at all!
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Reply #28 on: June 21, 2014, 02:10:17 pm
Very cool!  They look the same as the mirrors I picked up  8)



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            I know it's off-topic, but I'm just curious. Shouldn't the shield on the Ace can cover the front half of the filter? Otherwise, what's its purpose?
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Reply #29 on: June 21, 2014, 04:01:52 pm
            I know it's off-topic, but I'm just curious. Shouldn't the shield on the Ace can cover the front half of the filter? Otherwise, what's its purpose?

I asked Tom about that and from what I recall, the shield offers protection from water being able to wet the filter.  I'm in Arizona so I figured it was safe to leave it off.  I also asked Tom if he thought riding with the shield off would decrease it's effectiveness do to turbulent air intake and he said it wouldn't matter.  I like the way it looks a bit better this way.
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Reply #30 on: June 30, 2014, 10:57:59 pm
Very cool look.
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Reply #31 on: July 03, 2014, 05:34:57 am
JVS thanks for the recommendation.
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Reply #32 on: July 03, 2014, 10:02:05 am
No worries  :D
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