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My '09 C5 has had a good life. It's done me fine for now, but I can't bear looking at it. I don't know why - maybe I want more grunt, maybe I'm sick of the faux 50's look, maybe I'm fed up with toolboxes which should be toolboxes rather than air/electrics, maybe I'm just bored.

The sprag clutch is shot, which has taken it off the road. Nothing major. Oh, and there's been a bit of an issue where water will stop it dead. I think I've solved that by a new coil and solenoid, but I can't tell until I get the sprag in.

I'm rambling about the boring stuff though: I'm wanting to turn it into a respectful nod to the Royal Enfield Fury - an uncommon bighead competition bike from the late '50s to '60s.

Despite no kicker, I think it'll do well. The rear subframe which does nothing but hold the rear fender on will go. Both fenders will be alloy and shorter. The dual seat, which has already arrived already gives a great look, with sleek white piping. Thankfully it also has space under for electrics. As far as I'm told, the rear fender will need mounts changed. I have no idea what that means until it arrives this week.

She gets a new headlight unit, getting rid of the old and heavy casquete. Chrome, of course. Along with some new 'bullet' indicators, which I'll need to work out new mounts as the threads are much smaller than those of the oversized originals.

Toolbox, airbox, and electrics box have gone, a pod filter will replace the airbox unless significant problems with it arise. The electrics will get a relocation under the new seat after the new fender arrives, and the battery will be rotated '90 degrees and moved in front of the rear fender for the see-through look.

The tank will turn a lovely '60s apple red, and will get some chrome plates on the sides. Again, harking back to the competition Enfields of the '60s.

The only thing that will need paint is the tank, the rest chrome/alloy, black frame.

But all of that is just cosmetic.

I've also ordered a 19 tooth sproket, 19 inch front wheel, a 535 head, piston and power commander. The header will be changed but I'm unsure of the silencer as of yet.

As far as I can tell, there's no reference to any EFI bikes on the net using the power commander or the 535 mod. Should make for an interesting dyno. I doubt it'll make a huge difference, but I like small things.

Ideally before the Broken Hill run in July! A month and a half!

Wish me luck, and I'll be updating y'all as to how things pan out.


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Reply #1 on: June 03, 2012, 04:53:29 pm
I hope nobody minds, but this is a random picture off the net of a Fury; basically the look that I'm going for.



It's all going to be more a faithful nod than an authuntic conversion, as well as a testing bed for the 535 mod and power commander. There isn't much info on the net about these, so I hope to enlighten folk when I get it all sorted and dyno'd.

Oh, I'm in Australia, if that counts. Thought I should mention!


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Reply #2 on: June 04, 2012, 02:09:36 am
Good luck! I'm sending encouragement and good vibes your way from the America.  It's a great and noble project!  People have had better luck with a bit of radiator hose between the pod and throttle body as the EFI systems seem to run better if there is a plenum of sorts to smooth out the pulses of air before they get to the sensors.  Devising a subframe to carry a fender and the rear of the dual seat should be no problem if you can find a friend with an oxy-acetylene or wire feed welding rig.   Have fun and take your time,  deadlines can put a squeeze on the enjoyment in projects like that but you can always scab things together and then redo them again later.


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Reply #3 on: June 04, 2012, 06:14:57 am
G'Day Cobber,

I'm about to fit my power commander myself, along with a 19T sprocket, although I have the bonus of living in the Middle East where emissions/noise restrictions don't really exist, and petrol is the equivalent of AU$0.25 a litre.

you made no mention of new triple trees in your list of parts, guessing thats just an oversight.

The back half of the frame is going to be the trickiest to get looking Fury-ish as they are miles different, but covered shocks will go a long way to help the look.

Good luck mate and keep us updated


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Reply #4 on: June 04, 2012, 05:31:09 pm
Love the colors on that pic.  Good luck with the project.

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Reply #5 on: June 05, 2012, 04:26:52 pm
Many thanks for the good vibes and encouragment.

I'm glad to see someone else is going to try out the power commander. There's nothing online about it, and I intend to write up as much as I can. It arrived yesterday, along with the mudguards and tank fixing kit. It came pre-loaded with a map for an Enfield with a free flowing exhaust and normal airbox. My internet has been dodgy lately, but I'll see if Hitchcocks have any maps for the same but with a free flowing filter. If not, I've noted that Power commander have an auto adjusting sensor that fits into the O2 sensor, which can make the map on the fly. I guess I've bought into their advertising, as it doesn't seem like such a bad idea. I see this power commander as being pretty pricey after a while. I'm glad that the EFI Bullets have great fuel economy as standard, because I know that this will sap a lot out for performance sake.

The K&N pod filter is almost only there for mere aesthetics. I realise that it might be tricky to get going and that a straight through pod might even be detrimental. But I'm after as much of a naked look as I can get with the EFI Bullet. Someone on the forums suggested using some paper filters that straightens the flow a bit. I don't think that makes sense. Anyway, it's stuff often used by overclockers of computers. It might work to reduce turbulation. If the EFI on that whinges, I'll make up a discreet airbox.

I didn't mention tripple trees - I think I forgot anything about it. I was trying to cover most things in the first post, but missed that. Firstly, there's going to be a nice alloy top yoke from Hitchcocks. Below that there will be a trusty fork brace. As far as I can tell, merely using the yoke is fine, but the frok brace makes things trust-worthy. I don't think I could do with just the yoke though. And also, many thanks to Wokka - I'd forgotten to order the fork brace! Thanks for the reminder!

I still have one more order to make from Hitchcocks. Unfortunately it's all important things which to an extent prevent me from starting now and taking nice photos, but that should get here shortly.

I'm very interested in seeing if the 535 head and piston work out well. I intend to write up everything I can about the mod. That extra 10% probably isn't much, but I'm sure I'll notice. Not to mention the joys of running the bike in for a second time. Even if this arrives soon, I may end up leaving it 'till after the Broken Hill trip next month - it'll add a few thousand Km to the bike, and I don't know if I can run it in in that time.

So, I'm waiting on one shipment from the states which should arrive any day, and two more from the UK. Shortly I'll be able to get started and have some nice photos!

Cheers


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Reply #6 on: June 05, 2012, 06:07:30 pm
I ran a pod filter on my stock UCE bike.  It dropped my MPG by about 10%.  You need some length to smooth out the airflow and make it laminar, it's too turbulent right at the filter.

Scott


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Reply #7 on: June 06, 2012, 12:47:45 am
Just breaking in the top end should take that much time. The initially breakin was for the entire engine. the rings and cylinder should be broken in by ten hours or so of operation.
If you go by aircraft top end breakin procedures, you should keep therpm up but not a heavy load on the engine. The trick is to keep the heat and cylinder pressures and temps at a moderate level so the rings will seat. Too low rpm and cylinder loads will result in not enough pressure being applied from the rings to the cylinder and the cylinder will glaze, so the rings never seat right. On the bike just ride it as you normally would, unless your a hot dogger, and keep the rpm up around 3500 or so.
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Reply #8 on: June 06, 2012, 06:17:13 pm
Pictures. Please ! They ARE worth a few thousand words.


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Reply #9 on: June 06, 2012, 06:19:43 pm
I've talk to Hitchcocks, and they've let me know that - in theory - I should be able to use their rear Fender carrier used on their continental kits with some spacers. That's awesome news, as I won't likely need to modify the carrier. They said that they haven't listed it as a supported part for the C5 as they didn't have anything to test it on at the time.

They're also sending me either all of their maps for the Power Commander, or at least a list of maps. They've apparently tried quite a few, so this should be handy. Once I get their E-Mail, I'll post their list (Not the maps themselves, I don't know if they'd want that). It'll be great to have a list of tried and true maps for the Power Commander online as reference for anyone else. Apparently they also have maps for the 535 head and piston, which is fantastic. Hitchcocks must be commended in their detail and customer service.

Today I took the tank to the painters. These folk specialise in custom cars, restorations, etc. They're called Kranky Kustoms, based new Newcastle Australia. I've only heard good things about them, but they mostly work on cars. I chose a random red colour (Called 'Blue Blood'), which looked nice and '60s.

Because I only ride and don't drive, getting the tank to them proved a challenge. I ride a BMW G650GS as a daily, so thankfully there's plenty of space on the back. I had to use an old cat carry case for the tank, and it worked out great.



I like to treat all of my motorcycle parts just as well as my furry animals.

With the parts recieved so far, I've been incredibly amazed at the quality. Much better than original Enfield parts.

I'm glad to have recieved feedback regarding the pod filter. I really don't care about milage, and one account (Scott) reckoned it dropped about 10%. This is probably better than I'd expected. I'll search for some good piping and probably use something to put inside the pipe to straighten the airflow out and avoid turbulance. I might just butcher the old pipe.

This isn't intended as an authentic EFI Fury, just a nod in the direction of simillar competition bikes of the '60s. The only real mods to the frame I might consider will be the removal of the bolts for the old fender carrier.

Basically, I want to spend many $$$ turning the C5, which is a nod to classic '50s bikes, into a nod to classic '60s Enfields. A complete waste of money, but I think it'll turn out great. I'm also pretty fed up with the 'cafe everything' movement, which has more to do with a love of fashionable T-Shirts than it has to do with bikes. So I hope this works out well!


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Reply #10 on: June 06, 2012, 06:22:25 pm
Pictures. Please ! They ARE worth a few thousand words.

I'll take a few in the morning. It's 03:20 here, so a while yet to wait for the sun!

I'm so darned impressed with the quality of the Hitchcocks parts which have arrived so far, I'll have to share photos of them.

I'm so (arrogantly) frustrated that I ordered the more important parts later, and have a two-odd week wait! Geez, third world problems...


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Reply #11 on: June 06, 2012, 06:26:47 pm
One caution even if you don't care about the mileage, if it's using that much more fuel it may carbon up the engine or exhaust over time.

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Reply #12 on: June 06, 2012, 06:37:12 pm
One caution even if you don't care about the mileage, if it's using that much more fuel it may carbon up the engine or exhaust over time.

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Or, maybe it is using more fuel to go faster ?
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Reply #13 on: June 06, 2012, 06:43:08 pm
It sounded awesome but it was not 10% faster ;)


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Reply #14 on: June 06, 2012, 07:40:48 pm
OK, of course I won't let the bike get to the extent of gunking everything up with carbon. By saying I don't care about milage, I mean that I accept that these mods won't make this more fuel efficient.

As for the head and piston, I accept that there's a rough 10% increase in CC (off top of head) not power.

Geez... Internet semantics.