Yeah Matt, I like em alot. I'm not knocking Hagons, I just can't pay out that amount. These I bought brand new, they came with several bushings in different sizes, & an adjusting wrench. these have 220 pound springs-which suits my weight range, & are the correct 12.5" long. I bought them from: MotorcyclesoulutionsLLC.com phone#(419)-720-4313, I spoke with John. These are very similar to shocks made back in the golden age of British Motorcycling & have not dissapointed me in any way. If I wasn't on old time rider, I probably wouldn't have known I'd be happy with an inexpensive plain oil filled shock. What I can't understand is why the factory puts on a more expensive shock, that doesn't perform as well. Ironically, I believe these have the same trademark as the stock items-but work WAY better.