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on: March 29, 2012, 01:11:16 am
About three years ago, in April 2009, I had bought my G5 - Black Stallion.  At that time these EFI UCE bikes had just arrived in US.  The performance and longevity of these machines was questioned and questionable.  

Royal Enfields had a 'reputation for oil leaks' that gave them another name Royal Oilfields ;).  I was happy to have these new bikes BUT I could not be sure of its engine or how long will it last etc.etc.  So I kept a record of whatever good or bad it did and posted on this Forum. The real test in my view was not complete until it had run 20,000 miles. Today, it was a real joy to see that the bike achieved my goal of 20K milestone that I was anxiously waiting for.

Touchwood !  It is basically all stock with original cables - clutch & throttle, headlamp, engine, clutch plates, fork, brake pads, fuses, etc. are all OEM.  Only some of  its parts such as chain, battery, tyres were replaced.

I can finally say that it is well built and made to last - with a little TLC. 

And they do not leak - at least not from down below :D.
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Reply #1 on: March 29, 2012, 01:14:44 am
congrats!
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Reply #2 on: March 29, 2012, 01:21:10 am
fantastic..thats a good sign indeed...
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Reply #3 on: March 29, 2012, 01:47:40 am
RAWR!!! That's so awesome. And personally speaking, I'd really like to genuinely thank you for your lively participation on this forum and also for posting all your great youtube videos. I would've been pretty lost doing my first couple oil changes without your video, no doubt. Royal Enfield people are good people ;) Grats on 20k, Singh! Here's to 20k more!
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Reply #4 on: March 29, 2012, 02:59:54 am
Way to go singhg5!
You can be proud of your Royal Enfield!

I'm betting it can easily go another 20,000 miles without any major problems. :)
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Reply #5 on: March 29, 2012, 03:35:10 am
  Congratulations Singh !  With your knowledge and Enfield passion you are a true inspiration. Many more happy miles !
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Reply #6 on: March 29, 2012, 05:35:02 am
And here I thought coming up on 10,000 miles I might start to catch up to you ;). Well done Singh!


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Reply #7 on: March 29, 2012, 06:04:28 am
Congrats Br. Singh and many more happy miles to you !
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Reply #8 on: March 29, 2012, 07:46:28 am
Nice to hear the good news.

Here's to the next 20.000 safe miles!  ;)
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Reply #9 on: March 29, 2012, 08:15:52 am
Excellent news Singh, you are indeed a UCE pioneer!  It's very reassuring to hear your bike has served you so well - in great measure due to your diligent maintenance and care I've no doubt.
Your posts and vids have served us all, and I'm now holding out for that picture of your odometer having gone all the way round back to zero....  :D ;)
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Reply #10 on: March 29, 2012, 08:54:43 am
A question, Is this testament to a well built machine, or the way that Singhg5 has looked after it, or a combination of both ?
Well done for excellent postings sir  : ;D
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Reply #11 on: March 29, 2012, 09:15:43 am
To have the original cables, clutch plates and other items you mentioned,
says a lot about your deligent care. All credit to you for making the machine
last as long as it has.

Happy thumping for many more miles prahji !!



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Reply #12 on: March 29, 2012, 01:08:04 pm
I would just like to add my voice to the chorus. Congratulations Singh and happy motoring.
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Reply #13 on: March 29, 2012, 02:11:01 pm
A question, Is this testament to a well built machine, or the way that Singhg5 has looked after it, or a combination of both ?

I would say yes, yes & yes.
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Reply #14 on: March 29, 2012, 02:16:17 pm
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Reply #15 on: March 29, 2012, 04:32:46 pm
You da man Singhg5! Keep up the good work, I'm proud for you.
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Reply #16 on: March 29, 2012, 07:01:09 pm
Thank you, Singh,
You make me happy to know that I can get through the next 12,000 without any worries.
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Reply #17 on: March 29, 2012, 07:06:06 pm
Congratulations on the 20,000 miles. Does this mean that you will post a video of the de-coke that is due at 20K? I certainly appreciate all your other "how to's" and help.
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Reply #18 on: March 29, 2012, 07:14:42 pm
Buy gas with Techron or pour a little Marvel Mystery Oil in your gas and your shouldn't have to decoke.
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Reply #19 on: March 29, 2012, 08:35:26 pm
Not to digress to far but I've wondered about that 20,000 mile "de-coke" requirement.

For people running a carbureted engine I can understand it because IMO carburetors are pretty poor at regulating fuel/air mixtures.

Computer controlled fuel injection on the other hand seems to be rather efficient and can precisely meter the fuel/air mixture under all conditions.

I also think that even though it is  polluted with alcohol, all of the name brand gasoline's in the US have detergents and cleaners added to lessen carbon buildup and fuel injector plug-ups.

Admittedly they are water cooled but I haven't heard of any modern auto engines that required de-carb'ing at 150,000 miles, let alone 20,000 miles.  ???

It would be interesting to use a bore-o-scope to examine singhg5's piston and combustion chamber.
I'm betting the carbon buildup isn't any worse now than it was at 3,000 miles.
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Reply #20 on: March 29, 2012, 10:44:18 pm
Paraphrasing Scooter Bob, go out and spank it with a full throttle run.  It's the easiest and funnest de-coke you can do :)

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Reply #21 on: March 29, 2012, 11:17:22 pm
 ;D Congrates Singh5!  ;D However I think you are overlooking the fact that your vids and advice have alowed alot of us to have trouble free miles as well. Soooo, Technically you can add the 3000 miles I have racked up to your tally! I think it may be a conservative estatment, but I'd say youve contributed to as many trouble free miles as dollars in the current mega millions jackpot.   ::)gotta go get that ticket!


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Reply #22 on: March 30, 2012, 02:52:26 pm
This journey is a result of cumulative wisdom of individuals, past and present, on this Forum and RE fans in India who shared their knowledge freely over the years. Without this contact through the internet, it would not have been possible to reach this stage.  

A Big Thanks to you ALL !  Keep on Thumping.  

@idk - I do not have any plans to de-coke at this moment. I do 'engine cleaning' with the SeaFoam or Marvel Mystery Oil added to gas tank a couple of times a year.
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Reply #23 on: March 30, 2012, 02:57:59 pm
Keeping sending those vids and thougts...Your a inspiration to us fellow bulleteers..
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Reply #24 on: April 01, 2012, 02:16:19 am
;D Congrates Singh5!  ;D However I think you are overlooking the fact that your vids and advice have allowed a lot of us to have trouble free miles as well. Soooo, Technically you can add the 3000 miles I have racked up to your tally! I think it may be a conservative estatment, but I'd say youve contributed to as many trouble free miles as dollars in the current mega millions jackpot.   ::)gotta go get that ticket!
Me too, always check out Singh5 on youtube before getting oil on the floor. Did have one oil leak at 4k but found that the alternator side case screws have eased just a little , re-tightened and all is well. Only cable to give up was the clutch about 600 miles ago. Frayed at handlebar end , no big deal , replaced with the spare , oiled with gun-oil (stays in place better ) and all is well. Replaced the stock headlight with the 7inch lucas and a modifies H2 bulb which allows me to actually see rather than just being seen ;)
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Reply #25 on: April 03, 2012, 04:14:12 pm
um... didnt win the mega millions  :'(


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Reply #26 on: April 14, 2012, 02:35:12 am
um... didnt win the mega millions  :'(

Just think how many bikes you could have bought. Ahh but such is life.
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Reply #27 on: April 14, 2012, 01:59:21 pm
it's great to have you on the forum. many more happy miles.
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Reply #28 on: April 14, 2012, 02:17:58 pm
Not to digress to far but I've wondered about that 20,000 mile "de-coke" requirement.

For people running a carbureted engine I can understand it because IMO carburetors are pretty poor at regulating fuel/air mixtures.

Computer controlled fuel injection on the other hand seems to be rather efficient and can precisely meter the fuel/air mixture under all conditions.

I also think that even though it is  polluted with alcohol, all of the name brand gasoline's in the US have detergents and cleaners added to lessen carbon buildup and fuel injector plug-ups.

Admittedly they are water cooled but I haven't heard of any modern auto engines that required de-carb'ing at 150,000 miles, let alone 20,000 miles.  ???

It would be interesting to use a bore-o-scope to examine singhg5's piston and combustion chamber.
I'm betting the carbon buildup isn't any worse now than it was at 3,000 miles.

I've recently seen some photos of a UCE chamber after nearly 10k miles.

It's not the intake port showing any issues. It's as clean as a whistle.
But the combustion chamber is covered with thick black soot, and so is the exhaust port. The exhaust tract is plugged-up, and can't get rid of the exhaust very well at all.
Since it can't get out well enough, it backs-up into the cylinder instead of being evacuated, causing excessive passive EGR, and destroying volumetric efficiency by in-cylinder dilution of the charge with exhaust fumes.
These bikes need to get some free-flow in the exhaust.

I'd start with dumping that telephone pole muffler with the cat, and getting something that flows better.
I know how to read a combustion chamber, and I'm saying it can't exhale.
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Reply #29 on: April 14, 2012, 08:59:12 pm
I've recently seen some photos of a UCE chamber after nearly 10k miles.

It's not the intake port showing any issues. It's as clean as a whistle.
But the combustion chamber is covered with thick black soot, and so is the exhaust port. The exhaust tract is plugged-up, and can't get rid of the exhaust very well at all.
Since it can't get out well enough, it backs-up into the cylinder instead of being evacuated, causing excessive passive EGR, and destroying volumetric efficiency by in-cylinder dilution of the charge with exhaust fumes.
These bikes need to get some free-flow in the exhaust.

I'd start with dumping that telephone pole muffler with the cat, and getting something that flows better.
I know how to read a combustion chamber, and I'm saying it can't exhale.

Ace:

You have hit the nail on the head, as you always do.  Could it be a coincidence that in the past few days, I felt that my bike is not breathing well - as if it had 'back pressure'.

I like one thing about the long cat muffler - it is not so loud which makes it easier to ride for long periods. It is more comfortable muffled sound close to traditional RE sound.

Some Forum members have installed EFI silencer or Goldstar or Megaphone silencers, but they are louder than stock cat silencer and some eventually switched back to stock long muffler.  

Do you know of a short free flowing silencer that does not raise decible level - I don't want ear plugs or hearing loss  ;).
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Reply #30 on: April 14, 2012, 09:20:42 pm
Ayers Garage recently installed the 27 3/4" Emgo reverse cone.  He said it's a medium loudness model. I'm going to try one soon.  I'll try to get some before and after video for comparison.

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Reply #31 on: April 14, 2012, 11:24:18 pm
Ace:

Do you know of a short free flowing silencer that does not raise decible level - I don't want ear plugs or hearing loss  ;).

Not really.
Generally a free flowing one will be louder, unless it is ridiculously large.
The trick is to find one that you can live with, in terms of sound levels.
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Reply #32 on: April 14, 2012, 11:54:49 pm
Ayers Garage recently installed the 27 3/4" Emgo reverse cone.  He said it's a medium loudness model. I'm going to try one soon.  I'll try to get some before and after video for comparison.

Scott

Scott,
That Emgo is the longer version of the one that Chumma uses on his Fireball.
It should probably work pretty good.
We run them without any guts in them at all, and if we are going all out, we remove the reverse cone. It's pretty darn loud with the reverse cone off!
The Fireball makes the Earth shake all around it on every thump at idle, with the open mega. The pulses send out shock waves behind the bike that you can feel hitting your face from 25 feet back.
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Reply #33 on: April 15, 2012, 12:08:02 am
Scott,
That Emgo is the longer version of the one that Chumma uses on his Fireball.
It should probably work pretty good.
We run them without any guts in them at all, and if we are going all out, we remove the reverse cone. It's pretty darn loud with the reverse cone off!
The Fireball makes the Earth shake all around it on every thump at idle, with the open mega. The pulses send out shock waves behind the bike that you can feel hitting your face from 25 feet back.

I'm the guy with the silencer he was referring to. I got it from Dennis Kirk. It's not one of the ones you can remove screws and take the rear cone off the mess with the packing material. It's welded full circumference. I'm very happy with it and it was like 65 dollars (and free shipping). If it ever gets too blown out down the road, I'll replace it with something else. I don't sweat it much though, we're talking Royal Enfields here. Royal Enfield miles are like dog years compared to most bikes.
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Reply #34 on: April 15, 2012, 01:02:44 am
Ace,
I notice they make a 26" and a 27 3/4".  The only note on any difference I've seen is something about the shorter one being for pre-1983 bikes, so my guess is it's louder.  The 27 3/4" one is not disassemblable as Ayers noted.  It's also a metal baffle, not fiber packed. Bid the shorter one a glass pack?  I know their Dunstal replica is and so is the 17" reverse cone.

I know what you mean about the sound and shock wave.  I rode behind Abe's Goldie equipped iron barrel in the city.  Helluva racket and I could feel every pulse hitting me.

Scott