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on: June 20, 2011, 05:14:05 pm
As many here know..Im starting a cleanup on a 61 Indian...IE super meteor/Constillation.

Since parts are very hard to find..or out of my price range...what Asian Indian (Bullet) parts will fit?  Frame stuff of course, head lights, fork gaiters, etc etc etc. I need a Speedo/gauges/lights etc etc.   And how do I convert from 6vt positive ground to 12vt negative ground?  Help!!!

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Reply #1 on: June 20, 2011, 05:54:51 pm
And how do I convert from 6vt positive ground to 12vt negative ground?

Is that a points coil/ alternator bike or does it have a magdyno on it?
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Reply #2 on: June 20, 2011, 06:40:09 pm
For what it is worth I have on my 58 Crusader the bits look exactly like the bits on my 95 Royal Enfield India..   I imagine the non engine bits will bolt right on...   

You might be able to put a modern alternator in the primary on that rig also.  It depends on the the way your crank is set up but as it look like it used the same primary and trans as a 500cc bullet it might just work.

Here is a picture of the crank on my 07 with the woodruff key and spacer still on the shaft.      I know the inner primary will bolt right up to a modern alternator as  I replaced the 07 inner primary in picture with a KS only inner off a 60's RE I bought on fleabay.



 
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Reply #3 on: June 21, 2011, 01:19:13 am
To go to 12v you'd need a later model 12v alternator. Switching to negative just wire it with everything to negative ground and all your bulbs etc. to 12v. The stator for the alternator is a two wire one. Then get a Podtronics single phase rectifier for the alternator to charge the battery. You won't have a Magdyno on it if the motor is as late as you say, it's probably not a 61 year because they stopped using RE motors in 59' it must have a Magneto or Distributor on it. Easier to wire if you have a Mag.   ERC
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Reply #4 on: June 21, 2011, 02:41:17 am
To go to 12v you'd need a later model 12v alternator.

If it's got an 6v alternator you don't have to change the alternator to convert to 12v.
Either alternator will put out 30/40 volts and you can regulate it with a POD or Tympanium voltage regulator down to 12v.

http://www.britcycle.com/Manuals/Podtronicinst.html

 
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Reply #5 on: June 21, 2011, 02:53:55 am
That's right you just connect the two wires together  on the three wire 6v stator to give you the 12v you want. Forgot about doing that.   ERC
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Reply #6 on: June 22, 2011, 07:00:36 pm
1961 was probably the last year that the Chief was available from Indian Sales Corp. Many were probably left over from the last orders in 1960. AMC bought out Indian Sales Corp from John Brockhouse in Late 59 but kept selling the Chief as a police bike since they didn't manufacture a bike that big. Those old Chief models had a Lucas battery/distributor ignition when new. It would be easy to put an SR-2 magneto on there and they are still around. I see them on the E-Pay all the time. The later battery ignition from an Interceptor series 1A will also adapt and they were 12-volt. If you have or can find a Lucas distributor, it can be converted to electronic ignition. You can also install a K2F type magneto but they are more prone to problems than the SR-2.

As was mentioned earlier, a 12-volt alternator stator can be purchased to fit the older models then short wired either with a Zener diode or a more modern rectifier. All of the early style Lucas switches have been reproduced. The only really hard stuff to find are the quick disconnect plugs that were used on the Indian Apache models.

Personally, I keep my old stuff 6-volt since replacement parts are still available to keep them running. Hitchcocks is still the best source of parts for the old Redditch RE twins.

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Reply #7 on: June 22, 2011, 11:46:24 pm
What's the engine # stamped just above the primary. If I know that I can give you the year it was produced and what model the engine is. Would be interesting to see just what year it is exactly. Rotor is correct about fitting the different ignitions. I just went one better and installed a Bt-h magneto on the Apache I'm putting together. What a nice piece of equipment that is.  ERC
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Reply #8 on: June 23, 2011, 10:08:45 pm
To go to 12v you'd need a later model 12v alternator. Switching to negative just wire it with everything to negative ground and all your bulbs etc. to 12v. The stator for the alternator is a two wire one. Then get a Podtronics single phase rectifier for the alternator to charge the battery. You won't have a Magdyno on it if the motor is as late as you say, it's probably not a 61 year because they stopped using RE motors in 59' it must have a Magneto or Distributor on it. Easier to wire if you have a Mag.   ERC

It's probably registered as a '61 model, but could have been made as much as two years earlier.

My Tomahawk says 1959 on the title, but according to the factory records held by the REOC in England, it left the factory in November, 1957.  The model year on the title only reflects when the bike was sold by the dealer in the US.


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Reply #9 on: June 23, 2011, 10:39:21 pm
The last Chiefs were actually manufactured in '59, although sold as later models. Why not put a Boyer or other electronic ignition module on it? It goes into the stock distributor and works a hell of a lot better than the point setup, or mag. And once installed, no maintenance.
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Reply #10 on: June 27, 2011, 05:01:01 pm
Thanks guys...sorry about the slow response..Im a traveling service tech and I fix machine tools in machine shops..so Im gone a lot.

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Here are the pictures of my scooter as it is.

Any suggestions, help etc etc would be greatly appreciated.

I actually started it a couple years ago..then had some heart surgery..stroke..etc and had to leave it alone for a while. Now Im ready to dig in <G>

As you can see..the previous owner took a BUNCH of stuff off the bike for whatever reason


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Reply #11 on: June 27, 2011, 05:07:45 pm
For a chop/bobber it is not overdone. You could spend more than the bike is worth in a "proper" restoration but I would be inclined to just polish/paint and ride it as a period piece.


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Reply #12 on: June 27, 2011, 06:36:37 pm
I would put a bigger tank, 7" lamp and better seat on it.  If you could get a front clip off a junker someplace that would be good..     Someone might have a spare floating around here someplace....   
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Reply #13 on: June 27, 2011, 09:44:24 pm
Front clip?  What is that?  The Stuff that holds the head lamp on?  The question remains...I need a head lamp..and speedo and amp gage and lighting switches etc etc for just the head light alone..Most of that stuff comes on either a plate above the headlamp..or attached to the headlamp..right?  Indian Enfield the way to go or?

And whats the best way to polish up the engine. One assumes Im never going to get it mirror polished..but?

Cheap but effective is what Im looking for..not by preference..but....money being tight...very tight....

So guys..give me some details if you would be so kind! Please!!

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Reply #14 on: June 27, 2011, 10:36:19 pm
 I keep on hand #0000 steel wool, Brasso, Mothers Mag polish and Nevr Dull for polishing up alloy bits. If you can find it, Dupont's #7 chrome polish works well on plated parts.

 For switch gear any reproduction vintage styled Britt bike bits sourced second hand from the internet and swap meets would fit the function and style of bikes time. 





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Reply #15 on: June 27, 2011, 11:33:22 pm
Here ya go..

Buy this bike.. 

http://york.craigslist.org/mcy/2456009554.html

Take all the bits you will need and sell the rest.. The head and crankcase alone should get you $800...
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Reply #16 on: June 29, 2011, 08:26:43 am
A further stupid question...tools.

Im in need of Whitworth tools, probably combination spanners. Box on one end..open end on the other.

Here in the States..they show up on Ebay for nearly $100 for a simple 8 piece set, yet on Ebay.uk...they show up for $25.

What are the ramifications of buying tools and having them sent to California?

Ive never purchased anything from another country..so what pitfalls etc am I going to encounter?  This of course also applies to parts, etc etc.

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Reply #17 on: June 29, 2011, 01:32:16 pm
Shipping is the only issue.. Might cost more depending on the seller..  For some reason buying stuff from china seems to ship a lot cheaper...
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Reply #18 on: June 30, 2011, 01:00:46 am
Hitchcocks sells a line of cheaper British tools and the shipping isn't that bad.  ERC
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Reply #19 on: July 02, 2011, 11:56:06 pm
I purchase stuff overseas all the time and "Knock on Wood", I've never had a problem. Most of these businesses cater to US customers since we were the largest end user of many foreign made machines. If you have a credit card like Visa or Mastercard you shouldn't have a problem. If they take PayPal for E-Pay and you have an account, this is likely an even safer way of dealing with overseas purchases.

This outfit has the British Association and British Standard tools you will need plus fasteners and tap & die tools too and their prices aren't too bad considering how much tools cost now days. I bought all of the wrenches and sockets from Snap On back when they still made them. I'd hate to buy them now. The prices would break the bank.  www.britishfasteners.com/

The outfit I bought all my tap & die stuff from catered to the aircraft industry back in the day when Rolls Royce engines were still using the old system before they went to Unified Standard. They are long out of business now. I'm pretty sure you can even get Heli-Coil stuff for the BA and BS threads but the kits are pricy.

A fellow in Australia had some headlight brackets made for the big General Electric headlight that the Chief used. www.re-indian.com/
I don't know if anyone repros them or not. they are similar to the Guide types used on the early to mid 50s Harleys. The instrument panels for the Chiefs show up on the Bay now and then but they will cost you. The panel is where the amp meter, headlight switch, and speedometer were all housed. You might have more fun with this project if you just find the bear essentials for now and scrape the original type stuff up later. It's way better to get it running first then fix up on it as you can afford the time and expense. Lucas electric stuff was made so long that there are a lot of aftermarket parts that you can replace old stuff with like the old alternator and the recifier set up. You can wire it with the newer stuff and get your electrics going. Find a decent aftermarket custom or Bates type headlamp. You can switch it to a Boyer electronic ignition but if the old coils still work  you could get it running with a few new ignition components from Hitchcocks. My guess is that whatever condenser it has was crap when it was new so you'll definitely need a new one of those plus whatever else is worn out. That thing really just needs a lot of cleaning, some new paint here and there, and a complete going over & relubrication of the chassis and drive system components. Someone went to a lot of trouble to lace those wheels with the aluminum rims. You can probably find some gaiters to fit or some tubing to cover the front fork uppers with. They originally had short tube covers on there. Keep it simple and have fun with it or it will set too long.

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